And it wasn't only hoppers and box. There are letters in the Ill State
Historical Library from the IT where they would steal reefers from beer
service to send to Staley in Decatur for corn suryp loading(Karo)in winter
so it would not freeze. Back before tanks were used Glass bottles
sjh
----- Original Message -----
From: "John D. Mitchell, Jr." <cbqrr47@yahoo.com>
To: <BRHSlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [BRHSlist] Re: Foreign Line Coal Cars
> Bill,
> Russ is right about the mid 60's, but earlier Q coal
> trains had 5-10% foreign cars, sometimes(many
> times)less. As I said in BB #35, they showed up
> several ways. Some had come in loaded and were being
> sent home, per car service rules. Some like the NYC
> cars from Sahara, were accepted in interchange. The Q
> got MOP's at Waltonville and Centralia (M-I), C&EI's
> at Goreville, NYC's at Forman, IC's at Centralia,
> B&O's at Shattuc, and L&M's at Litchfield. Other
> foreign cars were supplied by roads, for engine fuel,
> who had few, on line, mines or the mines were a long
> ways away. They supplied the empties, to be sent back
> loaded, so you could see M&StL's, etc.. Lastly, in
> times of car shortages, (winter time) coal companies
> would "steal" cars, i.e. get a foreign car (by hook or
> crook) and ship a Q load in it, or steal a Q car and
> ship a IC or some other road's load in it. All is fair
> in love and war. And please believe me, coal car
> supply schemes were war! The WW&IB had their hands
> full in the coalfield.
> John
> --- Russell Strodtz <vlbg@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Bill,
> >
> > At least in the mid-sixties there was no effort made
> > to
> > get foreign hoppers off-line. Some trains might be
> > up in
> > the 50% foreign area.
> >
> > For an example there was a regular movement in SLSF
> > 9xxxx
> > series hoppers of petroleum coke from Southeast
> > Kansas to
> > Great Lakes Carbon at Irondale IL which was switched
> > by the
> > IHB. When these empties came back they went to
> > Centralia.
> >
> > There were also MP & C&EI cars in the petroleum coke
> > service,
> > just not as many.
> >
> > There was also a regular movement of coal in NYC/TOC
> > hoppers
> > from Sahara Coal South of Harrisburg IL to Rochelle
> > Municipal
> > Utilities at Rochelle IL. Those empties were
> > commonly added
> > to the coal pool.
> >
> > Reiss Coal at Green Bay WI loaded via the CB&Q so
> > there were
> > also GB&W and KGB&W hoppers used.
> >
> > After the merger BN pretty much purged the foreign
> > cars but
> > ended up leasing large numbers of C&O and CRR
> > hoppers.
> >
> > On the other hand, during the mid-sixties some roads
> > had a
> > shortage of gondolas suitable for mill service.
> > There were car
> > service directives that limited their use by foreign
> > roads.
> >
> > This was also true of 40' common box cars.
> >
> > Have many train lists on www.thevlbg.com that
> > illustrate
> > this.
> >
> > Russ
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: William Barber
> > To: BRHSlist@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, 07 November, 2003 11:47
> > Subject: [BRHSlist] Re: Foreign Line Coal Cars
> >
> >
> > This is a question that I am sure John Mitchell
> > can answer. In looking
> > through BB #35, I find a few photos which show
> > foreign line hopper and
> > gondolas in Q steam era coal trains. Was this
> > common or were such cars
> > strays that may have only been on the Q for brief
> > service? If it was
> > common, what percentage of a train might have been
> > foreign cars? I
> > found photos of MoPac, and C&EI. What others
> > might have been seen?
> > Where would such cars be going?
> >
> > Bill Barber
> >
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