In the first paragraph, that should have read "Colorado Springs cars".
These were at least a dome coach, a slumbercoach and a 10-6 sleeper.
Ironically, my return trip on December 31, 1966 was the first trip
where the Colorado Springs cars did not operate beyond Denver. As
my brother and I boarded the train in Chicago, a cheerful note awaited
us in our slumbercoach rooms telling us that the Burlington was
"pleased" to have substituted connecting bus service to Colorado
Springs.
sjl
--- In BRHSlist@y..., "Stephen J. Levine" <sjl@p...> wrote:
> On the trains I rode, both #10 and #1, the Chuckwagon and the
regular
> diner were in the section I rode, although separated by the Colorado
> Springs car.
>
> Nevertheless, unlike the CZ dome-lounge-buffet cars, the DZ
chuckwagon
> cars had a full kitchen located just behind the dome and occupying
> half of the A end, the other half being dormitory space for the crew
> and a single bedroom for the dining car steward. In contrast, the
CZ
> cars just had sleeping space in the A end, with dormitory space for
> the crew and bedrooms for both the dining car steward and the
> zephyrette.
>
> The door to the kitchen was in the alcove leading to the dome,
> although, I believe, there was an entrance to the kitchen from
> behind the under-dome lunch counter.
>
> It is my personal belief that the Chuckwagon cars were intended to
> replace the dinette-coach on the 1936 Denver Zephyr. This dinette
> seated 16 and also had a separate kitchen.
>
> The fact that the Chuckwagon cars were able to offer complete food
> service allowed them to be used as the Denver-Chicago food service
car
> for the remnant of the California Zephyr that operated between
Chicago
> and Ogden from after the CZ was discontinued to the start of Amtrak.
>
> sjl
>
> --- In BRHSlist@y..., Denny Anspach <danspach@m...> wrote:
> > The interesting post on the DZ two section operations in January
> > 1956 caught my interest, especially that the diner and coffee shop
> > cars were split.
> >
> > I have presumed, and probably incorrectly, that the CZ and DZ
> diners,
> > and coffee shop cars respectively were essentially laid out in
> > similar fashion insofar as the food service functions were
> concerned.
> > The CZ diners and coffee shop cars were designed specifically to
> work
> > with other back-to-back, especially when it came to pantry and
> > storage space. Specifically and essentially, the CZ diner had by
> > design very little pantry space, relying on such space in the
coffee
> > shop car.
> >
> > For this reason, the CZ diners did not do well when unconnected to
> > the coffee shops. When in early Amtrak service on the SFZ, part of
> > the problem was solved by routinely situating the former SP Domes
> > ahead of the diner, the vast empty space below the dome floor
> > substituting in a fashion for the otherwise absent former coffee
> shop
> > space.
> >
> > I do not have specific information at hand at how long the CZ
diners
> > lasted in Amtrak service, but I understood that they were not
> popular
> > because of the poor storage.
> >
> > I would presume that the DZ diners might have been able to "make
do"
> > in this regard (absent the coffee shop) because they only had to
> > serve evening and morning meals between terminal commissary
visits.
> >
> > Curious: how did the DZ diners do in Amtrak service?
> >
> > Denny
> > --
> > Denny S. Anspach, MD
> > Sacramento, CA
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