--- In BRHSlist@y..., amtrak347@a... wrote:
> "Must Fills" (all passenger trains were required to have a fireman
and
> hostler assignments) plus "Veto" positions (I believe determined by
a
> percentage of the number of engineer assignments on a division)
would
> determine the number of firemen that could be severed from
service. I forgot
> to mention that the LaCrosse Division fireman's roster was not
affected by
> Award 282 account Wisconsin being a "full crew" state until the
early to
> mid-70's. Chicago Division severed firemen with 8 years or less
seniority
> because they had so many passenger, hostling and "veto" jobs.
> Bob
>
veto positions is the correct term, haven't heard that in many years,
just called them all must fills ( did not bother to call passenger
turns must fills as nothing changed) 10 percent of freight pool turns
/road jobs and 10 percent of switch engine jobs were must fills on
division worked on, would assume this system wide. if freight pool
had 10 or less turns had one must fill, 11 or more pool turns then
had two must fills. after severed off was a clerk 65-68 so that is
where some recollections come from. memories of a 2/10 coming with no
firemen at all in town at away terminal. called roadforman said 'you
have a problem' he made a decision, a few timeslips, think every
rested pool fireman got paid. no extra list as freight pool was it
after 282. forgot wisconsin was a full crew state. colorado was too.
was going to go to work there during sugar beet time. how many more
on the burlington system?
appears division where i worked kept a lot of men, compared to
divisions and other roads you mention, as only firemen with less than
2 years were severed. believe the term you used "could be severed
from service" expresses the intent of the law, but did they sever
them. wonder how it worked, did div supt and rf of e have anything to
do with it, or did o.w. gibson the mastermechanic make the decisions?
was a certain per cent of job elimination a goal and once that was
reached they stopped cutting? surely there was more planning than
this, age of engineers going to retire, etc. (oh, thats right this is
a railroad, isn't this where the term 'hell of a way to run a
railroad' came from) saw local greever / legislative rep last year on
vacation, had a nice conversation but subject of 282 didn't come up,
just some talk of memories of s engine trips.
warren
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