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Re: [CBQ] Pre-Depression passenger car lettering

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Pre-Depression passenger car lettering
From: "Bott, Eric H." <eric.h.bott@outlook.com>
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 12:26:03 +0000
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Thread-topic: [CBQ] Pre-Depression passenger car lettering

Greg:

 

As I explained in an earlier email, my Corel license doesn’t allow me to produce decals for others.  (The font for “HAVE TRAIN – WILL HAUL” was an open source font, and so the Railfonts license issue doesn’t apply in this case.  But the Corel license still does.)  I can help you become able to do this kind of thing on your own, if you’re willing. 

 

Hey, “Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day.  Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for life.”

 

In case any of you have been on the fence about wanting to learn about doing your own decals, I’ve added some more teaser material.  You, too, can join the “one of one” club, although I admit that The Whippet and the C&A E-1 were also substantially modified from stock brass models before finishing.  I’ll add the point that if you do good research, your models can be more accurate than many of the imported FP models.  The Royal Crest on the CNR U-4b tender is a good case in point; it’s far more accurate than even Fomras’ very nice FP models’.  And while OMI did a FP version of the 250t American crane in UP livery, they never did it in the KCS livery:  One of one.  The CIL caboose demonstrates that you don’t need to start with some outrageously expensive model to end up with something pretty attractive, when you are not handcuffed to existing decals.

 

One of my projects for next year is a “pump-and-a-half” variant of an LMB CB&Q S-2a.  Coreless motor, backhead, and PSC gearbox, of course.  (That regimen turned a roach FED SSW E-1s model into a very nice runner that I’m proud to display.  I was on an Atlantic kick at the time, and it needed to be done.)   I’ll keep you posted.

 

-Eric

 

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From: Greg
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:43 PM
To: CBQ@groups.io
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Pre-Depression passenger car lettering

 

Very nice decal work… I have a 4943 that I would like to add the B&S “have Train – Will Haul lettering to. Is it possible to get a set of these?

 

Thanks,

Greg

 

 

Gregory Baumgardner
Food Safety & Quality Assurance Technologist
p: (309) 457-1443 c: (309) 335-7294

1 Cloverleaf Drive
Monmouth, IL 61462

 

From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bott, Eric H.
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2022 5:44 PM
To: CBQ@groups.io
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Pre-Depression passenger car lettering

 

Robert:

 

An issue with “Railroad Roman” is that there were literally dozens of different roman-type fonts used by the various railroads.  Lettering style was very idiosyncratic to the road.  An issue with available Champ (and Walthers, and Herald King, etc) decals is that they are old now, and not always sound enough to get down on a model.  But even if they are, you still are left with decal film that’s about twice as thick as modern decal films.  And, talk about piecing together road names or numbers?  Bah!

 

About 4 years ago, I started making my own decals.  Or rather, I make the decal artwork (in a program called Corel), and email digital files to Highball Graphics.  They print my decals on outstanding, very thin film stock.  My pro painters like working with them, and the results are outstanding from a mechanical perspective, and exactly what I put into the artwork.  Jim Abbott at Highball is super to work with, and very helpful.  He prints on 8-1/2” x 11” stock, so most decals can be printed as a single piece to cover an HO scale model.  One full-color sheet, printed, costs $35; add $5 for Jim to mail all the sheets you order at the same time.  Minimum order quantity is 1 sheet, which beats Microscale’s business model all to Heck.  Oh, and the Highball color laser printer does 600 dpi, so their decals are sharper than Microscale’s screen printed decals.  Lettering down to 1-1/2 scale inches in HO is readable, with a magnifying glass.  I do builder’s plate decals for all my steam loco projects with the correct construction number and date for the road number I’m doing, and those construction numbers and dates are readable on the model.

 

If your 1920’s era cars had metallic gold lettering, Highball has an ALPS printer that (until supplies run out) can do metallic gold or metallic silver for $40 per sheet.

 

I have about 20 different Truetype fonts from Railfonts.com, including at least 7 Roman font types.  Even then, there are times that I have to modify the characters, and on rare occasions, start new characters from scratch, to get exactly what I want.  At other times, the standard fonts that typically come with a PC make better substitutes or starting points.

 

Corel is incredibly capable.  I’ve attached some of the artwork I’ve done to date, FYI, as .jpgs.  Everything you see that’s not lettering (and even some that is) is original artwork that I’ve built in Corel over bitmap graphics I’ve found on the web.  (Highball can only print vector-defined objects; they cannot print bitmapped objects.)  I’ve also included images of a few CB&Q models done with decals I have produced. 

 

I have the Academic version; I wrote to Corel and asked if I could use that (~$90) version rather than the (~$495) commercial version, and they said, so long as one only does work for oneself, and not for sale or use in a commercial product, any model railroader has their blessing to buy and use the Academic version.  The down-side to Corel is that the learning curve is fierce.  Railfonts’ license for their font sets are also for personal, not for commercial, use.  Their font sets cost from $7 to $14 each with that personal use license, and they are generally excellent.  They install on a computer like any other Truetype font, and are used in the same way.

 

For other groups, I have done a ~2 hour Zoom presentation to show people how to get started in all of this.  If there’s interest in the CBQ group, and somebody in the group has a Zoom license that can cover enough attendees, I’d be glad to present it again.  I’ve done decal sets for over 400 projects to date, and don’t even think about using commercial decals anymore, even if modern ones are available.  I’ve successfully launched quite a few other modelers on this path. 

 

Again, the learning curve can be fierce (I can help with that), but the upside of learning this is the ability to successfully tackle virtually any finishing project you might wish to—and those c1920 passenger cars would make a simple first project.

 

Any interest?

 

-Eric

 

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From: Robert Herrick
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2022 2:26 PM
To: CBQ@groups.io
Subject: [CBQ] Pre-Depression passenger car lettering

 

Folks--

I need to  letter some passenger cars for my 1920-era layout. The heavyweight passenger car set from Microscale is for 1940-to the merger. The lettering looks different to me from pre-Depression photos. Suggestions?

Thanks!

Bob Herrick

 

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