Re: [CBQ] Joint Line Conductor Train Consist book

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Greetings everyone,

Some extra information.

From: Larry Green

To:Mark Sellars

Fri, 25 Feb at 9:39 am

Hi Mark,

If you would like to forward my answer to the CB&Q group please feel free to do so.

Since the inception of the Joint Operating Agreement between the ATSF and C&S on the Denver District Joint Line the crews were called Joint Line Crews and worked for the Joint Line. I do not have specific documentation on conductors but a Joint Line Engineers pool was created with men from the ATSF and C&S. Each company was assigned slots on the pool based on the amount of traffic between Pueblo and Denver that the respective companies operated in 1900. As such the C&S has a slight advantage in numbers and the roster blended seniority dates. The system was set up so that as men quit, retired or expired the replacements were ATSF hires. The original arrangement was in deference to the C&S employees so that they would not lose their jobs, but the slots would expire by attrition. By 1939 most of the slots on the roster of Engineer had passed to the ATSF, but I believe at least one C&S engineer was still on the roster into the 1940's. One interesting aspect of the arrangements was the fact that ATSF engineers when confronted with layoffs of the Joint Line could bid on other jobs on the ATSF, the C&S did not allow that to happen, if you chose a Joint Line slot and there was a downturn you were laid off.  In 1939 you were either an Original Quota C&S conductor, an Original Quota ATSF conductor or a new hire Joint Line conductor.

Eventually all crews were pooled and were made up of Original Quota from both companies or new hire Joint Line men.

All station numbers on the Joint Line were either ATSF or DRGW numbers. The C&S was a tenant of the ATSF and owned nothing between South Denver and Pueblo Junction. Because of the 1918 directional running station numbers are mixed up on the two mainlines.

Cabooses and locomotives could be mixed, power was service at Pueblo and Denver. Generally ATSF trains had ATSF power and C&S, C&S power.   Both companies ran 2-10-2's Denver to Pueblo  ATSF 3800's and C&S 900's

Regards

Larry Green

It should be noted that when the C&S abandoned its narrow guage lines (date: early 1900s??)  many of the trainmen and enginemen ended up in the pools out of Denver, including the Joint Line.

Mark

On Friday, 25 February 2022, 09:01:23 am ACDT, Julian Erceg via groups.io <grbfrog=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Thank you very much!  That explains everything for me.

Julian

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