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This left side view of Q 505 as a 14th St. coachyard switcher in Chicago around 1940 clearly shows the many detail differences between the Q and C&NW USRA 0-6-0s and is evidence that NWS&W 5 in Louis's photo is definitely not a former Q engine.
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From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> on behalf of Louis Zadnichek via groups.io <LZadnichek=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 9:36 AM
To: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CBQ] 0-6-0 No. 3?
March 5, 2021
Bob -
I've attached an image of NWS&W No. 5 from the Chuck Zeiler Collection that shows an ex-C&NW USRA 0-6-0. Notice the reinforced coal bunker walls on the tender. The image was taken at NWS&W in Sterling, IL, but unfortunately
is not dated.
All I have for reference is a 1965 edition of "Northwestern Steam Power" by C.T. Knudsen. The 0-6-0 appears to be either a C&NW Class M-2 or M-3 USRA 0-6-0.
I do not know how familiar you are with NWS&W or C&NW steam power, but when NWS&W purchased a number of the CB&Q Class G-5 USRA 0-6-0's for scrap in 1954, they evidently "kitbashed"
several that were still serviceable for use as mill switchers.
These CB&Q 0-6-0's then replaced a number of worn out ex-C&NW USRA 0-6-0's. It appears that NWS&W used tenders from the retired C&NW 0-6-0's, as well as headlights, other mechanical
parts (being USRA design, all were more-or-less interchangeable) and possibly smoke box doors.
The ex-CB&Q 0-6-0's served as mill switchers up until the early 1960s when they were in turn replaced by a number of ex-GTW 0-8-0's that had been purchased for scrap. The 0-8-0's
served NWS&W up until the end of steam operations and were extensively photographed in service.
Since it was NWS&W practice in renumbering the ex-CB&Q 0-6-0 mill switchers to keep the last numeral of their original road number and painting out the preceding numerals, it's likely that NWS&W 5's last numeral was also "5" with its original C&NW road number.
If anyone in this Group is knowledgeable with C&NW steam power and can identify their 0-6-0's that were sold to NWS&W for scrap and then later used as mill switchers, I'd enjoy hearing their comments - Louis
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
In a message dated 3/5/2021 9:29:19 AM Central Standard Time, clipperw@gmail.com writes:
Bob,
Yes, it is CB&Q 509, but it I believe that NWS&W has substituted a C&NW tender. Photos in the BRHS Flickr gallery of the locomotive in service on the Q do not show the reinforced coal bunker. Rather, it has an almost stock USRA
tender. The attached photo shows the same locomotive at Eola in 1950.
Bill Barber
Gravois Mills, MO
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CB&Q 505, Chicago, Ill., 14th St., c. 1940.JPG
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