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Re: [CBQ] NM-2 #315

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From: "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 01:05:35 -0600
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Rupert
The 1903 build year and the 1904 renumbering fortunately narrow down the range of possibilities.
I just finished doing searches on legislation covering waycars and when I have the relevant pages downloaded I’ll send them.  It appears most of the states banned bobbers by 1910 which accounts for the rapid demise of the NM-1s.   There were some states that had provisions for their continued use in yard, work and transfer service and we do have many scrap dates for NM-2s into the 1930s.
A car body existed into the 1960s as joe Legner had color photos/slides of one in Galesburg?? On private property.
Charlie Vlk 


On Jan 11, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Rupert Gamlen <gamlenz@hotmail.com> wrote:



Charlie

Looking at newspaper reports for 1903, the Stoddard wreck is the only Burlington one I can find in which a waycar was destroyed. According to the Viroqua Vernon County Censor [Wisconsin] of 4 March 1903 –


On Sunday a freight train on the Burlington crashed into the rear of another freight train. In the caboose, Conductor Hogue and his brakemen were sleeping. The caboose was telescoped by a coal car. The men were pushed to the rear end and imprisoned in a small space. The car then took fire. The brakemen were rescued, but Hogue was seriously and perhaps fatally injured. The engineer and firemen escaped by jumping.

The absence of a construction date doesn’t make for an easy search!

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: CBQ@groups.io On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Sunday, 12 January 2020 5:11 a.m.
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Q bobber?

 

Rupert-

Joe’s roster just lists the year for the build date for the NM-1 and NM-2.

Charlie

 

From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rupert Gamlen
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 10:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Q bobber?

 

Charlie

[The 1904 equipment renumbering related primarily to incorporating all the equipment owned by the subsidiaries into a single numbering system, and included all standard gauge waycars being renumbered into the 14000-14999 number group. The renumbering was mostly completed by 1907.]

 

The first ORER showing the new listing of waycar numbers 14000-14999 was either August or September 1904, but research indicates that the allocation of new numbers for the 1904 renumbering was based on the equipment held as listed in the October 1903 ORER. (I presume that each of the subsidiaries submitted timely equipment lists to the Burlington’s General Office for submission to the ORER’s publisher.) Where equipment was destroyed after the lists were prepared, a gap would have been left in the sequence, rather than shuffling all the numbers along. There are no such sequence gaps in the 14925-14944 sequence allocated to NM-2’s, so it would seem that 315 was destroyed before the October 1903 ORER list was prepared.

Searching through the 1903 Railroad Gazette accident summaries, the only possible one reported was -

March 1st, Chicago, Burlington & Quincy, Stoddard Wis., a freight train ran into the rear of a preceding freight, wrecking the caboose and one car. The wreck took fire and was partly burnt up. The conductor was fatally injured.


Any idea when in 1903 they were built?

 

Rupert

 

 

 

From: CBQ@groups.io On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Saturday, 11 January 2020 1:41 p.m.
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Q bobber?

 

All-

It is amazing that a NM-1 survived.  As stated previously, the carbody was put on a jury-built frame and wheels, but is otherwise pretty much pristine comparing the photos to the shot of #300.

I have a “General Description of 20 Ft 4 Wheel Waycar Built at Aurora in 1903

It shows “20 Cars Nos. 304 to 323 Inclusive” so by the time of renumbering the 315 must have been destroyed (early).

A note says: “1917, Only 7 Cars in Service Same renumbered to 14927, 14929, 14933, 14939-42”

This does not account for the 1906 and 1907 built cars of which I do not have the General Description sheet.

Some research into the State Railroad Commission or State Laws will have to be done to see if the rapid decline in numbers was due to legislation or maybe agreements with the Brotherhoods….

Charlie Vlk

 

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