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Re: [CBQ] Aurora coal chute 1868

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From: "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 12:30:59 -0500
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There was built c. 1889 a new coaling tower, the design of which was not attributed to any manufacturer or patent, which was located at the junction of the West Chicago Branch west of the roundhouse complex.

So far attempts to exactly locate it have been thwarted by the lack of a detailed station plan for the yard tracks…..we don’t know if the track immediately along the side of the coal ramp and unloading portion of the L-shaped structure was along the main or a side/shop track.   The unloading part of the structure spanned the main and was immediately east of another puzzle….Block Cabin (presumably “Y” for Aurora Yard) which if we had a list of MP for Block Cabins we could work out the exact location of the facility.

We also don’t know if it lasted through until track elevation changed the configuration of the main and most of the yard tracks in the vicinity.

Perhaps the AFEs at CRM would shed light on both subjects……

Charlie

 

From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> On Behalf Of HOL WAGNER
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 10:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Aurora coal chute 1868

 

More on the topic of the Clifton coal chute:  Attached are two CB&Q drawings of a 102-ton Clifton coal chute and its track layout, both from the library of the Colorado Railroad Museum.  Don't know where or even if this one was installed.

 

Hol

 


From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> on behalf of Mike Decker <mdecker@gwtc.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 8:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Aurora coal chute 1868

 

I see by the Patent papers that one of the applicants is a 'J. E. Clifton'.  That leads me to believe that these are the chutes that are popularly called the 'Clifton Pocket Coal Chutes'.  Among others, the Rio Grande Southern narrow gauge in Colorado used them.  John T. Carruthers built an 'O' scale model of the Vance Junction chutes, which used to be on display at the Colorado Railroad Museum.  I haven't been down there in years, so I can't say if it's still there.

When Bob Richardson got the C&S Mechanical records from the Denver Roundhouse, they included the Master Mechanic's Personnel records, account the Engineers worked for the Mechanical Department, not the Operating Department.  The BN probably never thought of that.  One of the Investigations involved the Clifton chute at Colorado Springs.  Seems like the Passenger job stopped to coal up at one of the pockets.  Freight trains generally cut off the engine to spot for coal, but comparatively light Passenger trains generally brought the whole train up.  There were little wooden 'tags' in holders on the outer faces of the chutes, which were labeled, on one side, with the number of tons of coal in that 'pocket'.  The other side was lettered 'Empty'.  Well...somebody had emptied the first pocket he came to, but neglected to turn the tag around.  This happened about three times, by which time he was starting to 'rough handle' the train.  The Conductor came up to remonstrate with the Engineer about it, and they got in a fist fight, that's where the 'party' came in.  The Master Mechanic allowed as how the Engineer had been severely provoked by other people failing to comply with the tag instructions, however, that was no excuse for beating up on the Conductor.  I don't remember the Discipline Assessed, but I suspect it was a number of 'Demerits, or 'Brownies'.

Mike.

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