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Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 17:28:51 -0400
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June 13, 2017
 
Leo - YES, indeed! And I occasionally sat in one as a youth on 5632 fan trip cab rides thanks to my Dad being a division superintendent. For the younger members in this Group who never experienced Q steam (and I came in at the bitter end), it still impresses me greatly that the Q ran Class O-5-A 4-8-4s from Chicago Union Station (CUS) to Denver, then after servicing them, sent them right back to CUS on another passenger train! Plus, these magnificent dual purpose locomotives ran off mile-after-mile at sustained speeds in excess of 75 mph and occasionally as the need arose neared or exceeded 100 mph. As for freight service, of course, the speeds were lower and I don't believe there were any Cicero-Denver through freight trains in that era, but still the 4-8-4's took all the tonnage they could handle between division points and never looked back.... I suspect they ran Cicero to Lincoln as an everyday occurrence, as well as from Cicero to St. Paul. Perhaps, Bob Campbell or Hol can comment on this subject further. What a LOCOMOTIVE they were! May be I'll live long enough (at age 70) to see an O-5-A (or B) restored to operation. Best Regards - Louis
 
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL          
 
In a message dated 6/13/2017 4:04:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:


Thanks Louis for posting and the commentary. Since the O-5s were dual purpose, did they have
A seat behind the firemen for a head brakeman when used in freight ? 

The reason for the question will become later when I post the next installment for the claim files

Leo Phillipp

On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:04 PM, LZadnichek@aol.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

June 13, 2017
 
Group - Since it's a stormy afternoon in south Alabama and I can't do any yard work, let me share a couple of inserted/attached images of CB&Q Class O-5-A No. 5621 with Train No. 39, the Exposition Flyer. I had very little information to go on with identifying both images, so I contacted Group members Bill Barber, Bob Campbell and Hol Wagner. All have all generously contributed to better identifying both images:
 
<CBQ5621TrainNo.39ExpositionFlyerPrincetonIL1939.jpg> 
CB&Q 5621  Train No. 39  Exposition Flyer  Princeton, IL  1939
 
<CBQ5621GalesburgILUndated-3.jpg>
CB&Q 5621  Train No. 39  Exposition Flyer  Galesburg, IL  Undated
 
In Hol's words (slightly edited), "5621 (top image) is on No. 39, the Exposition Limited, at Princeton, Ill., in the summer of 1939, showing that the west bound train did indeed carry a 60-foot RPO car.  And I believe the power lines along the tracks at Galesburg (bottom image) were on the south side, away from the depot, as shown in this photo.  But No. 39 was due into Galesburg from Chicago at 3:10 p.m., and it seems to me that would be pretty early for the sun to already be around far enough to illuminate the north side of a west bound.  But there were no other west bounds due through Galesburg later in the afternoon/early evening except No. 1, the DZ.  I suppose it's possible No. 39 was running late that day, perhaps held at Chicago for a late connection from the east. Trains 39-40 ran through between Chicago and Denver as the first/last leg of the Chicago-Oakland round trip -- the Expos was the predecessor of the California Zephyr. And by 1939, the Q was running a single engine through between Chicago and Denver on the passenger train, so 5621 would have run through from CUS to Denver. The Exposition Flyer and all the known information on this train appeared in the big 264-page Burlington Bulletin devoted to them, researched and written by Bill Schultz and me and published back in 2003.  The Princeton photo turned up after that time and thus is not included in the Bulletin."
 
In Bob's words (slightly edited), "Photo of the engineer's side is definitely taken at Galesburg.  It is westbound on Main #2.  Seminary St. Tower would be to the right of the 5621.  There's a man standing on the fireman's side, just behind the pilot of the 5621; his left hand is in line with the Quincy Freight Main that ran behind the tower. With regard to Hol's picture of train  No. 39, with the 5621 on the point, the location is MP 105, about .6 of mile west of the Princeton depot.  In the background, behind the train, you can see the overhead signal bridge structure that was located at MP104.61. This absolute signal was controlled by the main line dispatcher to protect the trailing point hand-throw crossover located by the depot if a way freight was doing station work at Princeton.  When the crossover was removed from service in the 1980's, so was this signal bridge.  Just east of the depot, at MP 103.61, is a corresponding "holding" signal, used for the same purpose, that is still in service today." 
 
From my own perspective, the Galesburg view is a great in-station image of an O-5-A straining against its bridle as the engineer looks back for the conductor's high ball. Note the pile of clinker/ash below the ash pan on the ground. The dirty laborer with his back to the engineer who looks to be dragging a clinker hook probably just cleaned the O-5-A's ash pan saving a time consuming trip to the roundhouse. Since there's plenty of coal in the tender, 5621 probably coaled earlier at Mendota, IL, to the east. With its blower cracked wide open, I bet 5621 was ready to RUN to points west when the conductor gave the high ball. 
 
Bill Barber and Bob Campbell both think the Galesburg image dates to either just prior or early World War Two days as the ladder on the valve gear hanger and spoked pilot wheels were removed from Class O-5-A locomotives about that time. Also, 5621 looks to be a somewhat "older" at Galesburg than at Princeton. A little amazing today in this digital age that the Q trusted its Class O-5-A dual purpose 4-8-4's to run through from CUS to Denver and back, a distance of over 800 miles. In the Princeton image dated 1939, 5621 was probably just about a year old, having been delivered new from the Q's West Burlington, IA, Shops in July 1938. When 5621's time eventually ran out, she was sold for scrap in April 1960 after rusting for several years in the Galesburg Dead Line. Both images, to me, show the Q at its BEST - Louis
 
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL    



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