Re: [CBQ] Steel gons v composite gons

["Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>]

Nolan..I see what I can do re "shoveling"...Also...I have no personal knowledge of this, but it is my understanding....that back in the "really old days"..each fireman would have his own personal scoop shovel..They were designated by Number, but I have no idea what the number designated..all I recall is hearing either by "tale" or in song of a NUMBER 9 SHOVEL.  The fireman would keep his scoop filed to a sharp edge and polished up to a high shine on its face...Also it is a well known fact that many a breakfast of "bacon and eggs" was prepared on the face of a shovel placed in the firebox door..  Also sandwiches could be warmed up or toasted in the same manner.  All sounds really good even if I'm not hungry right now having finished my own breakfast of toast and eggs..

Pete

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From: NNull@aol.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Sun, Jun 4, 2017 8:54 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Steel gons v composite gons

 

Pete,  

For the benefit of the the millennials,and the city kids who have never used one, a picture of the business end of a coal shovel would be beneficial.  You can't imagine the delight I had when my dad re-equipped the farm with aluminum #10 scoop shovels instead of the steel ones.  Much lighter and increased your longevity of scooping grain.

Nolen Null

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From: Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Sun, Jun 4, 2017 3:16 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Steel gons v composite gons

 

Leo.

Per your suggestion at the most recent BRHS meeting I "deluged" Dave with everything that I have written in the past 25 years...It's enough for articles extending beyond the life expectancy of any BRHS member.

All that remains is for Dave to "get busy" and publish them..Seriously:  I'm going to visit my son later this summer...He lives just a "hop skip and jump" from Dave and we plan to get together and put my stuff in order for publication.

Photos of all the depots that I have mentioned are available..I have some...now scanned and prepared for a showing to our local railfans club next month.

See how effective your "admonishment to me was..I "got right on it"...All others involved will have to  "comply and see no failure"

Pete

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From: qutlx1@aol.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Sun, Jun 4, 2017 1:50 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Steel gons v composite gons

 

Pete,

All Dave needs is a photo or two of those depots, line map and a couple shots of a gon of coal spotted at the coal shed for an article !

I'll bet you just gave modellers another car for the wayfreight crew too.

Leo

On Jun 4, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Speaking of Company coal...I had personal experience with that commodity in my "back in the day" experience on the FAirmont Hildreth local back in   "ought 58".  Shortly after the first of August the old head conductor said..."well it's about time for the company coal to show up...I didn't give it much thought or make any inquiry.

Well a week or so later a "flat bottom 'system' gondola loading with...Voila...company coal showed up in the yard at FAirmont for distribution  "along the line".  ..Here's how it worked.  The first trip west we took the company coal and set it out at Geneva....Next trip two days later we picked up the coal at Geneva and took it to Shickley.  Two days later we picked the coal up at Shickly and took it to Ong.  Two days later we picked it up and Ong and took it to Nelson..(Edgar was a closed station)..Next trip we picked the coal up at Nelson and took it to Lawrence...Next trip west to Blue Hill,..next trip west to Bladen...next trip west to Campbell...next trip west to Upland..Next trip west to Hildreth.

At each station we would spot the coal at the "coal house"...ever country depot had one...and the "section" would shovel the coal...that means...unload by hand for you millenials..if there are any on here.

Even at that time at my young and tender  age  (22)..I thought..what an expensive operation for such a menial job...How many man hours were spent doing  this kind of thing for years and years and years...I think in the early 60's or so whatever depots remained were fixed up with oil burning stoves with the fuel oil..probably supplied by the local distributor from his  "tank wagon"..

Just another example of  "That's the way we've always done it" on the railroad.

Pete

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From: STEVEN HOLDING sholding@sbcglobal.net [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Sun, Jun 4, 2017 9:30 am
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Steel gons v composite gons

 

Rupert

Thank you for the post on the Gons.  It is interesting to note the difference in load capacity with the wood car having a higher light weight and less cubic capacity yet working longer with less repairs.  It has been my observation that gons were used mostly for company coal.  And not just GS gons but often they used other gons as well with the section unloading coal at depots along the way might take a week or two for a gon of coal to be moved by the wayfreight and section from station to station on a subdivisioin.  Most photos of coal chutes also show gons bringing the coal in. 

Thanks

Steve in SC

On Sunday, June 4, 2017 4:20 AM, "'Rupert & Maureen' gamlenz@ihug.co.nz [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

If anyone has an interest in the differences between the Burlington’s steel gons and composite gons, there was a presentation to the Western Railway Club in 1917 by William Queenan, Assistant Shops Superintendent for the CB&Q, in which he compared the history, qualities, rebuilding and repair costs of the GA-1’s built by Cambria  with those of the GA-2’s built by Standard Steel. The presentation was followed by a lengthy discussion by officials from a variety of roads.

The transcript of the presentation and discussion can be found at https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b2978105;view=1up;seq=406

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

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