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Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 17:44:20 -0400
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May 30, 2017
 
Archie - I enhanced the image earlier this afternoon and reached the same conclusion, the last digit appears to be a 7. That would make the wrecked locomotive No. 7007. Many thanks - Louis
 
In a message dated 5/30/2017 4:37:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:


Louis, I blew it up and it seemed to have a 7 on the tender.  Archie
On May 30, 2017, at 2:02 PM, LZadnichek@aol.com [CBQ] wrote:

 

May 30, 2017
 
Ricky - Wonderful find! I wasn't aware of this particular site. I might be able to enhance one of the images to where I can make out the last digit of the wrecked Class B-1 locomotive. There were only seven from Lima, 7000 to 7007. Does anyone have a Lines West passenger time table for 1923 that would let us know what time No. 2 was due in Benkelman? May be a news story might exist if Benkelman had a newspaper, or in McCook if that was the Division Point. A nasty wreck to be sure! Thank you very much - Louis
 
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL 
 
In a message dated 5/30/2017 1:50:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:


Louis


One more web find


https://hiveminer.com/Tags/1923,bluepoint


Ricky Keil




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May 30, 2017
 
Ricky - OK, I know where Benkelman is. And it was the Republican River in late Spring flood stage we see. That means almost assuredly it was either an outright wash out or that high water softened and/or undermined the tracks. Not knowing the time of day or night the wreck occurred, the engine crew may have never seen the bad spot in the tracks, or if they did, there was no time to stop.  So, that information sure helps. Now, if we could only find a newspaper article, hopefully it would tell us what Class B-1 locomotive it was and other pertinent details. Was Benkelman on the McCook Division? With at least one fatality, it's a little unusual the wreck doesn't show-up in the ICC Accident Investigation Reports of the era. Best Regards - Louis
 
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL 
 
In a message dated 5/30/2017 1:27:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:


Louis


Sorry, pasted the link and hit send


Here is another link


http://memories.nebraska.gov/cdm/search/collection/hphsm/searchterm/blue%20point/order/nosort


It says Blue Point was east of Benkelman, NE and you are correct, along the Republican River


Ricky Keil

Papillion, NE




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May 30, 2017
 
Group - Here's a mystery for our Lines West experts to try and solve. Following are inserted/attached two images of a long-ago derailment involving an unidentified Class B-1 4-8-2 type locomotive and its passenger train. The only information given is the date May 21, 1923, the train is No. 2 and the location is Blue Point, NE:
 
 <CBQBluePointNEDerailmentTrainNo2-5-21-23.jpg>
<CBQBluePointNEDerailmentTrainNo2-5-21-23-3.jpg>
From the two images, we can see that the locomotive is an almost new Lima Locomotive Works Class B-1 4-8-2 type constructed in 1922. It has an extended smoke box for burning lignite coal. There is what appears in the background to be a river in flood stage. May be the Republican River? There also appears to be water on both sides of the right-of-way. I would speculate that the train ran into a wash out and jumped-the-tracks at speed from the mangled condition of some of the cars that look to have jack-knifed behind the derailed tender. There may've been at least one or more shattered wood baggage or RPO mail cars on the head-end, in addition to the one steel mail storage/baggage car shown. Lastly, there is an "improved" road and pole line paralleling the tracks.
 
I have searched the ICC Accident Investigation Reports for 1923 and this wreck does not appear. I also searched for the years 1922 and 1924. I do not see the wreck listed. I've been told that ICC Reports do not usually include accidents where no one was killed or badly injured and no rules violated. Perhaps, that was the situation with this wreck, although from the severely torn-up cars, it makes you wonder. Additionally, I can find no community named Blue Point in Nebraska. May be that was the name of the nearest siding. Perhaps, the river and train No. 2 together will point to a clue as to just where this wreck occurred and any details. You'd think that a newspaper article in some Nebraska newspaper would've covered this story. I would like to know what the locomotive's road number was, too. Can anyone better ID these photographs? Best Regards - Louis
 
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
 
     
 
 








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