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Re: [CBQ] Way car cupola

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Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 18:06:26 -0500
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My experience in winter months here in Illinois riding in Q,GN,NP and BN waycars was that if the stove was not in "front" of the cupola,based,on direction of travel, it was pretty much useless in keeping the cupola warm. Like most stoves, you had to be close to it, to benefit from its heat.

Leo

On May 12, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Don Brown dbrown02@rochester.rr.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I believe - and this is speculation, not based on specific fact - the cupola was sometimes built toward one end was for heating purposes.  Usually - not always - under the cupola was where the closets and lockers were and with those near the end, the rest of the interior was like one room and easier to keep warm.  Maybe they figured that since heat rises the warmth would find its way up into the cupola.

Until about the 1960's or 1970's, a railroad's cabooses, waycars, cabin cars, vans, buggies, or whatever name they were given, were as distinct as the motive power since the railroads made them at their own shops.  Someone who has made a hobby of them can see a photo of a caboose with no lettering or number, yet immediately identify it as a Milwaukee, a B&O, CB&Q, whatever.  Obviously there WERE oddballs here and there but usually there was an unmistakable family resemblance.

On 5/12/2017 5:48 PM, 'Rupert & Maureen' gamlenz@ihug.co.nz [CBQ] wrote:
 

Don

I have no knowledge about the preference for the cupola location other than discussions on this List over the years.  I have notes of one discussion involving Russ Strodtz, John Mitchell, Marshall Thayer and others. Evidently, the preference was a personal thing, more common in some districts than in others. But that was on the Burlington in “recent” years, rather than the Pacific Short Line in 1890. Presumably the company’s management had a reason for this style.

What was the reason for the cupola being at one end? Improved layout space, ease of movement within the way car, ease of construction or what?

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 


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Very interesting, and a long and interesting life they led!  Thanks for the research and details. 

The only thing I would question is the remark about no turning facilities dictating a center cupola.  Obviously their creation was long before any of us and I can't speak for how men thought.  But in my own time on the railroad I never once encountered a conductor who cared which way his caboose was moving.  There was no front or rear, and it never mattered whether the cupola was on the lead or trailing end in direction of travel. 

I don't claim to know it all and it is possible that at some location or other a man or men wanted his/their caboose oriented a certain way.  But I have never read any mention in various publications or books about having to wye or spin a caboose to get it "right". 


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