August 22, 2016
Pete - Unless some operating types want to step on me, I suppose an RFE
could be riding the passenger train locomotive due to high water over the
tracks, but since a RFE is management level, I can't see him out on
the pilot for any number of reasons. But, I can see the RFE putting the
head-end brakeman out there as a lookout. I'm far more inclined to agree
with Hol that the lookout on the pilot apron was either a section hand
or, more likely, the section foreman. Comments, anyone else? Best Regards -
Louis
In a message dated 8/22/2016 1:45:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:
Hol just for "grins and giggles" I'd like to posit that the
guy standing on the front of the engine is the Road Foreman rather than the
Section Foreman..My thought is based on what I perceive is the type of cap
worn by Road Foremen rather than Section Foreman.
Road foremen tended to wear the "flat" type caps rather than the more
"Kromerlike" caps usually worn by Section Foreman..This post is just to "stir
up" a little discussion, just for fun.
Pete
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Mon, Aug 22, 2016 1:09 pm Subject: Re: [CBQ] Tip Toeing No. 2569
August 22, 2016
Hol - THANKS for posting. That's one "flood and train" image I haven't
seen before. Best Regards - Louis
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
[Attachment(s) from Hol Wagner included below]
Louis and Group:
Well, since you asked, here's another, presumably taken around 1930 and
depicting K-4 No. 705 leading No. 48 through the south yards at Beardstown,
Ill. From the dress of the requisite lookout on the Ten-Wheeler's
pilot beam, he's a section hand -- quite possibly the foreman -- familiar
with the track over which the train is passing.
Hol
[Attachment(s) from LZadnichek@aol.com included
below]
August 18, 2016
Group - A thread some time ago discussed steam locomotives being able
to run through high water over flooded tracks verses diesel locomotives that
could not because their traction motors would short out. I just
came across the inserted/attached image that graphically shows such an
occasion many years ago:
The unidentified image shows CB&Q Class P-5 No. 2569 "tip toeing"
over flooded tracks with a local passenger train. I first shared this image
with Hol Wagner who commented that 2569 had been a Lines East
locomotive and that the scene really could be anywhere in Iowa
or Missouri. The 2569 was assigned to the Ottumwa Division in the 1920s
and the Hannibal Division in the 1930s. Plus, I have another undated image
of 2569 taken in Kansas City. From the forward bell position
behind its stack, 2569 also had at some earlier time been used in Chicago
Suburban Service.
If you enlarge the attached image, 2569 is pushing a wave in front
and water is splashing down from the main rod. The man riding the pilot
as a lookout could be either the head end brakeman or a member of
the section gang responsible for patrolling the flooded right-of-way. With
the bare trees, flat gray sky and what appears to be a heavy coat on the man
riding the pilot, the image was likely taken in late winter or early spring.
No. 2569 must've been a "good" locomotive as it enjoyed a long service life
on the Q and wasn't retired until October 1953, some 48 years
after being built by Baldwin in 1905.
This is only one of a handful of images I've ever seen of a Q steam
locomotive powering a train over flooded tracks. Does any Group member have
another such image to share? Best Regards - Louis
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
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