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July 5, 2016
 
Glen - BRILLIANT! Isn't this a wonderful Group, where else in the world can you find information like what appears here on a regular basis.... Best Regards - Louis
 
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/4/2016 4:47:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:


Leo and Group:


To reinforce Bob Campbell's answer, the signal bridge is at MP 27.04.  From the pattern of the laterals, it can be seen that it is not actually a 4 track bridge, but rather a 3 track bridge with a 14 foot extension, on the south (the pole line was on the north side).  This pins it down to between Curve 22 at Belmont and Curve 27 east of Naperville (all of the signal bridge extensions west of Curve 27 were on the north side).  It's ladder is also at the northwest corner of the bridge, which rules out (according to the signal bridge plans) any of the other bridges between Belmont and Curve 27.  If correct, here is the history of signal bridge 27.04, and the signals on it.


It was erected in 1913, and the first automatic block signals attached to it were Hall Style-K 60 degree lower-quadrant double arm (home and distant) semaphores, placed in service in 1914.  The middle track was signaled in both directions.


In 1925 and 1926, Burlington replaced the vast majority of the semaphores between Chicago and Aurora with color lights.  Although most color light signals at that time were 2-color light, because the home and distant semaphores were the equivalent of home signals with successive ‘approach’ aspects, the replacement signals would need to be 3-color light.  The Q picked GRS triangular color light signals, equipped with individual 8-3/8” standard green, yellow, and red lenses.  The light pattern was green on the upper left, yellow on the upper right, and red on the bottom.  In the photo, you can see the green lens lit eastward on the most southerly main.  Prior to taking out the semaphores, the new color-light signals were attached to the signal bridges using short lengths of 5” diameter scrap superheater flues.  At the same time, the signaling circuits for the middle track were changed from an overlap system to APB, and the bi-directional signals were maintained.  The north and south tracks were already APB, and remained single directional.


In 1929, the 14' extension was added to the south side for the 4th main.  The 4th main was placed in service in 1930, and the two middle tracks were signaled bi-directional.  The north main was taken out in 1934, and (the now designated) Mains 1 and 2 remained bi-directional and Main 3 was an eastward track.  The tri-color lights were eventually replaced with searchlights.  In 1951, signal bridge 27.04 was relocated to MP 27.42, including the extension, in preparation for cab signals.  In late 1962, CTC was completed between Downers Grove and Eola, Main 3 became bi-directional, and the bridge had a full compliment of single searchlights for all 3 tracks in both directions.


In the BN era, this signal bridge was relocated to the east end of a new control point at East Naperville in 1982.  There is still a signal bridge here, but I believe it is a replacement.


Glen Haug  




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Subject: [CBQ] Fwd: 4th Main Downers to Eola-Really Good Old Days on the Q
 
 

Thanks to all in the group and off line who responded to my post on the photo of the fourth main. See below Bob Cambell's definitive answer as to the location of the photo below. 

Leo Phillipp


Subject: Fwd: 4th Main Downers to Eola-Really Good Old Days on the Q

From: Amtrak347@aol.com
Date: July 4, 2016 at 12:29:42 PM CDT

Subject: Re: 4th Main Downers to Eola-Really Good Old Days on the Q

Leo -
 
It's absolutely, positively, Milepost 27 (just beyond the signal bridge, north of old main #1).  There is a photo, I believe in one of the Naperville Heritage Society's books, that has a photograph taken of a group of lady golfers standing on the 6th tee box at the Naperville Country Club.  That photo was taken in the north east corner of the golf course, and in the photo is the white corner fence that appears in the Barriger photo, in addition to the signal bridge in the background.  I know this subject was previously discussed several years ago and apparently I have lost my e-mail record of such discussion.  I need to add a comment to the Barriger caption to correct my previous comments with MP36er.  Today, the Naper Blvd. underpass would be in the background, further east (as I recall, this and other underpasses between Eola and Downers Grove have extended abutments to accommodate a "replacement" 4th main, if so desired by the RR; this would be expensive changes at four stations!).
 
Bob
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/4/2016 10:51:55 A.M. Central Daylight Time, leophillipp@aol.com writes:
Several of you are not on the CBQ Yahoo group so I'm sending this separately . This photo
Is from the Q section of the Barriger library collection. It's unidentified but the photos in front
And behind are Chicago and Aurora from the 1930s.

The Q added the fourth main between Downers and Eola in 1929/30 and took it out in '34.
This is documented in Overtons Burlington Route and in Aurora Div. ETTS. That I Have in my
Collection.

Looking at the photo the steel mill slag ballast,the pole line with all those code and telephone lines
The signal bridge,etc screams east end to me. Also note the ballast on the left hand main is
Lighter(newer) than the others. The 4th main was on the North side. So the photo is correct
Unless it's reversed.

I'm guessing this is between Naperville and Eola but not sure.

Can anyone identify the location more closely ?

Thanks,
Leo


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