Re: [CBQ] Re: Help In Identifying Photograph

["Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>]

This definately looks like lower yard at Red Oak...These Baldwin switchers were assigned to the St. Joe and Creston Divisions and were often seen around Red Oak, Villisca and Creston.  One of these was "featured" in Steve Holding's piece  OS Creston.  It was on a work train unloading cinders along the Hamburg Branch around Riverton, IA where the Nishnabota River habitually flooded every year and such flooding was the "proximate cause" of the line between Farragut and Hamburg being abandoned.  This branch is still intact between Red Oak and Shenandoah serving an ethanol plant at that point.  The piece between Shenandoah and Farragut remained intact until fairly recently.

Pete

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From: Art Lischer alisch80@gmail.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
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Red Oak switch engine. Photo from my Dad's collection taken around 1950. This doesn't look like the upper yard area. Possibly taken in the lower yard: 

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On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Bill Louis et al..RE Bill B's. comments.  In the post steam days there was a mainline local which ran from Creston over to Red Oak and served the "north branch"..(Griswold Line) and that train always had a GP.  See Steve Holding's article  "OS CRESTON"... BB 23 (Trains of the Gods and Goddesses)  my all time favorite BB effort....as to how those branches were served.  A steam engine handled the train from Creston to Red Oak then went "down" to the enginehouse at Red Oak where the crew changed to one of the 44 tonners and made the turn to Griswold, returning to Red Oak where they changed back to the steam engine for the return trip to Creston.  I don't know whether, "post steam" that Creston based local changed engines at Red Oak for the north branch which would have necessitated a GO going down to the "lower yard"

The North and South branches out of Hastings were served by a steam powered local out of P Jct on alternate days.  

All this to say that there would have been no "physical restriction" for a GP not being down at the Red Oak enginehouse, but, as has been pointed out there was no turntable at Red Oak.

Just as an additional piece of trivia.  There was, probably into the 50's an assigned Red Oak switcher.  And 44 tonners were sometimes used on the south (Hamburg) branch..see BRHS calendar IIRC  1992, Corbin Photo of a 44 tonner with motorcar trailer at Essex IA.  Prior to the mail being removed from branch line trains in about 1952 the south branch made two daily turns to Hamburg.

Pete

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From: William Barber clipperw@gmail.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2015 9:23 am
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Louis,

Unlike modern six axle power, the SD7 and SD9 series were designed for light rail / light axle loading applications. Most only weighed between 309,000 and 330,000 lbs or about 50000 to 55000 lbs per axle. They were intended for branch line operations where higher tractive effort was required Only later, in the mid 1960s did the six axle locomotive morph into main line road power. Modern six axle locomotives weigh between 396000 lbs and 430000 lbs or around 70000 lbs per axle which is near the limit for most main line rail in service today. Though the early SDs looked massive, they were lightweights compared to today’s power. So, operating on the branches out of Red Oak was quite feasible, but I don’t know if the traffic on those lines warranted such power.

By the way, SD9 no. 373 was only five years old when it slipped into the pit at Council Bluffs, IA. 

Bill Barber

Gravois Mills, MO

On Dec 14, 2015, at 3:05 AM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Re: Help In Identifying Photograph 

Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:57 pm (PST) . Posted by: 

lzadnichek 

December 13, 2015

Michael and Gordon - Thanks for further details. So 373 fell into the  
Council Bluffs turntable pit. I had questioned Red Oak as it had a wye as I  
recall and no turntable. Plus, a SD9 would've been too big and heavy for most 
branch line turntables. Does anyone recognize where 373 and 1553 were  
photographed? For modelers, here's proof that a badly damaged, yet repairable, 
diesel was included in a Q scrap train. Merry Christmas - Louis  

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