November 9, 2015
Hol - Great detective work! I also would bet on your research that the
train is No. 22 eastbound from McCook in either 1933 or 1934. The tender really
nails it.... Particularly since "modifying" usually meant repainting and
would explain the absence of the Burlington Herald that eventually would've been
put back on. I've searched my digital image files and can't find another Q
locomotive with such a cinder/spark arrestor, so unless another Group member has
such a photo, it must've been a one-of-a-kind device dreamed-up by the McCook
roundhouse foreman reacting to complaints of too many line side fires
from property owners. I really enjoy examining these old images to
"see what was going on" all those years ago. Best Regards -
Louis
In a message dated 11/9/2015 2:37:15 P.M. Central Standard Time,
CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:
Insert foot in mouth -- again. Someday I'm going to learn not to
comment on a photo without the image in front of me. Looking at the
photo, the train obviously has a baggage car -- with doors open in direct
violation of operating rules. Looking at timetables for the Depression
era, all-stops locals 5 and 22 operating between Lincoln and McCook were
shown during 1933 and 1934 as mixed trains, so I would bet that this is train
22 eastbound, flying white flags because as a mixed train it will certainly
not adhere to 22's schedule. It probably had no freight out of McCook
this day, but will pick up cars along the route.
As for what's atop 2954's stack, I haven't seen anything quite like this
before, either. But I think you're right; it's probably a ring with a
fine steel mesh -- much heavier than screen, but small enough to trap the few
sparks/cinders that made it that far -- attached like a drum head, with the
ring bolted to the stack. As you suggest, probably cobbled together in
the McCook roundhouse.
I checked Corbin's collection to be sure he didn't take this photo himself
or have a neg in his collection, but it's not there. There is a negative
of 2954 at the Hannibal roundhouse in April 1932, and it does not have the
stack modification and the engine has its unmodified original tender with Ryan
& Johnson coal "pusher" -- though with Commonwealth drop equalizer trucks
replacing the originals. In the later photo the tender has been modified,
with the Ryan & Johns tilting coal bunker removed and a standard
non-moveable coal bunker with higher sides welded in place. This work
was probably done when the engine was shopped at West Burlington or Denver and
reassigned to McCook, where the spark arrestor was then added.
Hol
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Identifying Photo - No. 2954
November 9, 2015
Hol - Thanks! I had a feeling the image was
of a Lines West train. Can you further explain or comment upon the band around
2954's stack that I speculate is a cinder/spark arrestor of some kind. First
time I've seen this, so probably something the McCook roundhouse force cobbled
together. I'd be interested if Leo can research his union documents and see if
Lines East local passenger trains were ever run as extras with way cars as it
was done way out on your end of the Q prior to at least World War Two. Best
Regards - Louis
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
In a message dated 11/9/2015 8:41:33 A.M.
Central Standard Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:
I think Pete and Michael are closer than
Leo. The 2954 was a McCook Division engine through the early 1930s,
until it was converted into an oil-burner sometime between March and June
1935 and reassigned to the Lincoln Division. Since it's a coal-burner
in this photo and flying the white flags of an extra in a time when, out
here on the west end, local passenger trains were often run as mixed trains
with waycars on the rear (though obviously this is not a regular, scheduled
train, since it has no head-end equipment), my guess is an eastbound extra
at the east end of McCook, where a road crossing over the tracks looks much
like this one.
Hol
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Woodruff mwoodruff54@gmail.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday,
November 8, 2015 3:15 PM
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:
[CBQ] Help In Identifying Photo - No. 2954
My knee jerk reaction was an
eastbound train at Ravenna, NE.
msw
marion, ia
On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 3:55 PM, qutlx1@aol.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Louis,
Maybe it's my Aurora Division background,
but I see three mains and two side tracks. Reminds me of just east of
Naperville depot on the North side where the lead tracks for
Kroehlers were located. That would explain the Pacific but I can't explain
the Waycar.
If so this is westbound train.
Leo
November 8, 2015
Group - I've attached an interesting Q
image that is unidentified. Can any one tell us what's going on? Note
the three "elderly" passenger coaches along with the way
car on the rear end. The baggage car looks nearly loaded with
crates, or could those be partitions of some kind? Also, there's
some type of unusual spark arrestor "cap" on the stack. White
flags appear to be displayed on the locomotive. Lastly, a Class K
ten-wheeler or Class R prairie would've been more than enough for this
short train. Wonder why it rated No. 2954, a big Class S-3 pacific? If
you enlarge the image, there doesn't appear to be any Burlington Route
herald on the tender. Could this be a mixed train without freight
cars on some Lines West branch line, or some long forgotten agricultural
extra? The image appears to have been posed with the train stopped.
Perhaps, someone in the engineer's family took the original photograph.
A lot of questions here to be answered. Comments appreciated. Best
Regards - Louis
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
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