Re: [CBQ] Location ID

["LZadnichek@aol.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>]

May 22, 2015

 

Nolen, Hol and Group - If you compare Hol's image of 647 with the Ottumwa chute in the background against the image of 6317 and the chute on page 8 of Burlington Route Steam Finale (that we know is misidentified as being taken at Creston), there are some interesting similarities.

 

One, accepting that the images are taken from different directions, the single tall utility pole with clusters of insulators to the immediate left of the chute in the Finale image looks just like the one behind the 647's cab in Hol's image.

 

Two, the timber construction of the sand storage pile looks the same in both images.

 

Three, the heavy timber support framing beneath both chutes looks the same in both images.  However, whereas there is cross bracing at the bottom of the bunker in the Finale image, the bracing doesn't show in Hol's image which would be the opposite side (???).

 

Since the Finale book states on page 8 that 6317 was in route from Beardstown to Denver on January 8, 1955 for heavy repairs when the image was taken, Hol, can you confirm that 6317 was overhauled at the Denver Shops in early 1955?

 

May be confirmation of that will help us figure out whether the images in question were taken at Ottumwa or Beardstown. I still think Ottumwa is a good possibility. Best Regards - Louis

 

Louis Zadnichek II

Fairhope, AL  

 

In a message dated 5/21/2015 9:43:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:

Gentlemen,

 

I hate to stir up a pot of controversy but I disagree with the identification of Dave's photo as being Beardstown.  I'm more inclined to vote for Ottumwa.  I don't remember Beardstown having an ash hoist like the one in the photo in question.  Also, the concrete foundation of the Beardstown coal chute was much taller than that in the photo.  Look at Charles Franzen's photo of the Beardstown coal chute.  Also note that the Beardstown chute has about a 5-6' covered approach attachment on the center track.  Based on Hol's photo and diagram of the Ottumwa chute and the mis-identification of the location in the picture in Stagner's 'Burlington Route Steam Finale' on page 56 and what appears to be the same mistake for the picture on page 8 in combination with the fact that 6317 appears in both pictures, I surmise that Mr. Kuba took pictures from opposite side of the Ottumwa coal chute the same day.  Ergo I vote for Ottumwa

 

Nolen Null

 

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May 21, 2015

 

Hol - Appreciate the Ottumwa chute image. I don't remember the "lighter" concrete bunker panels, but I suspect they were eventually sooted-up like the rest of the chute. Note 647 was trailing what appears to be an auxiliary tender. First time I've seen an auxiliary tender used with a Class K locomotive, unless the former tender belonged to a work train. It did appear to be painted a lighter color, most likely orange. What do you think? 647 was also a former Suburban Territory commuter locomotive from the empty turbo-generator platform located between the sand and steam domes. Best Regards - Louis 

 

In a message dated 5/20/2015 6:58:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:

[Attachment(s) from Hol Wagner included below]

Louis:
 
Here's what I've got for the Ottumwa chute.  It looks like the delivery/supply track is slightly elevated, but not nearly as much as the one at Beardstown. 
 
Hol
 

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Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 15:53:01 -0400
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Location ID

 

May 20, 2015

 

Hol - Thanks. Do you have a good image of the Ottumwa coal chute to compare against the image we're talking about. I do not.  Does anyone else out there have such an image to share? This is going back some 55-plus years, but, like you, I do not remember an elevated supply track on the Ottumwa chute, either. It was more or less a flat supply track as I remember walking along side the chute.  I don't remember the concrete sides, just that it was a "timber" chute with a tar paper roof that was mostly missing with some remnants flapping when ever the wind blew strong. Best Regards - Louis

 

Louis Zadnichek II

Fairhope, AL  

 

In a message dated 5/20/2015 2:33:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:

 

I think it's pretty clearly the Beardstown chute.  The Ottumwa chute was considerably different and did not have an elevated supply track (i.e., on a low fill) as did the Beardstown chute.  Also, the wooden sides of the Ottumwa chute were replaced with concrete slabs back in the 1920s or '30s.
 
Hol
 

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Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 13:04:29 -0400
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Location ID [1 Attachment]

 

[Attachment(s) from LZadnichek@aol.com included below]

May 20, 2015

 

Hol - The same image appears on page 56 of Burlington Route Steam Finale by Lloyd Stagner. The image is identified as having been taken at Creston, IA, in January 1955. The image is credited to W.S. Kuba. There is a second image of 6317 on page 8 also by W.S. Kuba and identified as being at Creston.

 

Of course, the both images are misidentified as to location as the Creston coal chute was constructed of concrete, not wood, as I recall. Personally, I think both images were taken at Ottumwa, IA, as I have another image of 6317 identified as having been taken Ottumwa in January 1955. I've attached that image. 

 

Dad was Ottumwa Division Supt. in the early 1960s and I remember the wood coal chute and roundhouse there. Sure looks like Ottumwa to me. I remember Dad was concerned about the chute's structural integrity and wanted it torn down as pieces were beginning to fall off of it. Best Regards - Louis 

 

In a message dated 5/20/2015 7:42:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:

[Attachment(s) from Hol Wagner included below]

Dave:
 
That's the Beardstown coal chute, moved to Illinois from Kansas City in 1943.
 
Hol
 

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To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 04:38:36 -0400
Subject: [CBQ] Location ID [1 Attachment]

 

[Attachment(s) from Dave Lotz included below]

Hi All,

 

Attached is an image that was shared by Leanne Edna Anderson on Facebook this week from the Michael Lemberger collection that is not identified as to its location.  Any ideas?

 

Dave Lotz

Pooler, GA

 

 

 

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