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RE: [CBQ] Coal for Denver's Engines: CB&Q vs. C&S, Bituminous vs. Lignit

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From: "'Harold Huber' sarge9@bresnan.net [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 09:36:25 -0700
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Jonathan,
I know that the C&S got its coal from the Denver Tramway mines at  Leydan CO which is west of Arvada.  My research shows 3 coal mines within a few miles of each other.   I happen to model traction also. and have many pictures of the 42" gauge Denver Tramway cars loading at the mines.  No, C&S but references say a year or two afteropening the C&S gain trackage rights to the mines.  The line soon became dual gauge and they picked up there coal with their own equipment.  Maybe the coal was softer than the other places that coal was procured? 
Harold Huber
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Subject: [CBQ] Coal for Denver's Engines: CB&Q vs. C&S, Bituminous vs. Lignite

 

Here are a few related questions that have puzzled me for a long time. 


Burlington Bulletin No. 29 (on the Q consolidations — still perhaps my all-time favorite Bulletin) has a section discussing the so-called L&B front end (the extended smokeboxes characteristic of CB&Q lignite burners). Lignite is a notorious spark thrower, and this smokebox was one adaptation aimed at keeping it to a minimum. Many photos in this Bulletin show engines with the L&B extension operating in Denver. Dry air and high winds must have created very hazardous conditions there. Perusing photos of other CB&Q engines in Denver show not only many equipped with these extended smokeboxes but also, e.g., 6-wheel switchers with diamond stacks (also to control sparking, I'd guess) in operation well into the 1920s, as well as some odd spark arrestors on different engines. 


By contrast, the C&S did not seem to have any engines with L&B front ends. They did use a variety of spark arrestors, most famously the Ridgeway spark arrestor, which was standard equipment on all its narrow gauge engines and also appears, perhaps as an experiment, on a couple standard gauge engines in 1920s photos. The Ridgeways continued to be used on all the C&S's narrow gauge engines (except oil-burner No. 70) until the end of operations in 1943 — presumably because of their running through National Forests. However, by the 1930s, photos suggest that C&S standard gauge engines no longer used any special spark-arresting equipment. 


There must have been a goodly amount of lignite available and used around Denver. A table from the 1936 abandonment proceedings for the C&S's narrow gauge lines shows its freight traffic for the 88-month period from January, 1929 through April, 1936. I was struck by this comparison of coal carloads on the Clear Creek branches during that period: 


14 coke

142 bituminous coal

3,832 lignite


142 "coal cars" of bituminous versus 3,832 cars of lignite is quite a difference. My guess would be that the 3,832 carloads of lignite were delivered for local industry and home heating, while the bituminous was company coal for engine fuel. 142 coal cars x 20-25 tons per narrow gauge car (guess) = 800-1,000 tons in 88 months or about 10 tons per month. If this was company coal used for the return trip downgrade to Denver, which might burn about a ton per trip (very rough guess, based on what the K-class mikados now burn going downgrade from Silverton back to Durango), this would be about 2 engine-trips per week. Assuming oil-burner No. 70 was the main engine on this run most of the time, that would seem about right for engine fuel needs.  


So here are my questions: (1) Were the CB&Q and C&S operating in and around Denver getting their locomotive fuel from different coal fields? (2) Were any C&S engines — standard or narrow gauge — burning lignite? And (3) where in Denver were the Q's lignite-burners getting coaled up? The many photos of Denver's 300-ton wooden coaling tower show a great variety of engines queued up there to take on fuel, including Burlington 2-10-2's, C&S narrow gauge moguls and consolidations, even some big AT&SF engines — but no lignite burners; so those engines must have gotten fuel at another site. 


Thanks very much for any clarification, and all good wishes for the new year! 

Jonathan




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