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From: "Ronald Peterson rcp95240@outlook.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 23:05:27 -0700
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On page 152 of the book, Portrait of a Silver Lady by Bruce A. MacGregor and Ted Benson, there is a photograph:

"The guard changed twice in Denver. Burlington turned Seventeen over to subsidiary Colorado & Southern for a turn through the washer and around the 23rd street wye. Glistening in anticipation of a full day's sightseeing, the westbound CZ eases into Union Station behind Burlington 0-6-0 580, carded as C&S number 33 on the D.U.T. timetable. In 1951, Denver was the only place the Zephyr could expect a regular dusting with coal smoke".

I will attempt to scan in this photograph if my HP printer/scanner and I are on speaking terms.

Ron Peterson
Carmichael, California 


To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 23:29:28 -0500
Subject: [CBQ] Re: CBQ] Re: California Zephyr in Denver

 

Thanks for validating my impression that on my first



On September 29, 2014, at 1:33PM, "LZadnichek@aol.com [CBQ]" wrote:

 

September 29, 2014
 
Hol - Thank you sincerely for further identifying the image of 5143 in Denver. Now, as it's said, we know the rest of the story. The Corbin book reports that 5143 was sold for scrap in December 1957, so it's comforting to know that the O-1-A went out in style as a DUT switcher before her flue time ran out. This is the only image I've ever seen of both Q and UP steam power side-by-side. Perhaps, this thread will locate an image or two of the CZ being switched by steam in Denver. Best Regards - Louis 
 
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
 
In a message dated 9/29/2014 1:14:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:


Louis:
 
I have seen photos of the 0-6-0s with the CZ here in Denver, but I don't have any such shots in my collection.  And yes, the attached view does show the 5143 as the DUT (Denver Union Terminal) switcher, steaming past UP 812, which sits on track 11, waiting to take No. 57, the Cheyenne local, north one day around 1954.  That's DUT's office/shop building behind the two locomotives; it would have a tower added in 1959 to replace the old interlocking towers, A and B, at each end of the depot trackage.
 
Hol
 
 

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 11:20:54 -0400
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: California Zephyr in Denver

 
September 29, 2014
 
Hol - Would that mean the CZ was "steam-powered" for a mile or two through Denver while being wyed? If so, does anyone have an image of a G-10 or O-1-A with the CZ in tow?
 
Here is an undated image of O-1-A No. 5143 posed along side a UP 4-8-4 in Denver. I assume 5143 is switching the Denver Union Station that day. Best Regards - Louis
 
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL 
 
 
In a message dated 9/28/2014 8:37:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:


You're quite right about the way switching was done into the 1960s, and it may be worth noting that the regular switcher assigned to work the Denver coachyard and Denver Union Depot was, until 1954, a G-10 0-6-0, with an O-1-A Mike substituting at times and working occasionally into 1955.
 
Hol
 

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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 22:38:09 +0000
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: California Zephyr in Denver

 
Because both the ex-Q and D&RGW lines leave to the north of Union Station, the California Zephyr has always been wyed at Denver.  Originally, under the Q, the switcher for the westbound train was attached to the rear of the train after it passed through the trainwash, leaving the inbound Q power to the southwest of the yard to then be moved to the engine facility for servicing.  After the train was platformed in the station, a second switcher might couple to the baggage car, pulling it off to retrieve a Rio Grande coach, before coupling both cars back onto the front of the train.  The Rio Grande power would then be coupled on, allowing the train to proceed north and then west.

In the 60's, probabl y to save costs, and because the Q was adding intermediate head end traffic to Denver (shown in the photo), a single front-coupled switcher did the honors of moving the train through the station.  Amtrak currently uses the train's road locomotives for this purpose.


On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:58 PM, "Hol Wagner holpennywagner@msn.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Chuck:  Sure, you're welcome to use it.  Hol
 

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:30:46 -0700
Subject: [CBQ] Re: California Zephyr in Denver

 
Thanks, Hol, with your permission, I will re-post your reply with that photo.










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