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Subject: Re: [CBQ] A late Q "gallows" turntable
From: STEVEN HOLDING <sholding@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 19:59:42 -0700 (PDT)
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Randy
That is the joy of research.  Often it opens up more questions then you get 
answers for.  Over the years formats change, Form Change, in some cases you 
have to learn how to translate the info into a more readable format.  IF it 
were Lines East I might have the answer as I have a couple different Turntable 
booklets put out by the Railroad. But I have never seen a Lines West.  And do 
not recall running into anything in the SMU library on turntables. But then too 
that library may be a bottomless pit with no body working on it.
Steve in SC


On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 10:45 PM, Randy Gordon-Gilmore <randy@prototrains.com> 
wrote:
 
  
During my December research trip up to Nebraska, Jim Krzycki of the 
Schuyler Historical Society let me scan several photos, one of which 
was the attached (with his permission).

On the rear is written

"Helen & Joe Novotny
Mom - Mary Vrba
turn table Burlington"

(Mary Vrba was Jim's grandmother)

I couldn't believe what I was seeing, "knowing" that the turntable at 
Schuyler was a metal "Armstrong" table.  It has taken me 4 months to 
resolve my misunderstanding.

I know about "gallows" turntables, but had only seen photos where the 
central tower was an A-frame.  Also, gallows tables were common from 
post-Civil War through the 1880's or so, but were rapidly replaced by 
the newer iron or steel tables.  I had never seen one with an "H" 
frame.

But a lot of Googling brought me to Thayer County, just above the 
Kansas border, and this photo of what looks like the same design of 
turntable at Chester:

http://www.casde.unl.edu/history/counties/thayer/chester/image.php?image=2

That table is missing the near-side upper cross bracing, but it is 
unmistakably the same construction as the Schuyler photo.  I'm 
attaching an enlarged version where I've been able to undo some of 
the banding from the unfortunate scan, and also have an email into 
the Thayer County Historical Society to try and locate the original.

I guess I'm prone to flights of imagination, but I'm imagining that 
the "gallows" table was the original one installed in summer of 1887, 
and the reason it lasted so long was due to the low traffic volume on 
the Ashland-to-Schuyler branch.  Sometime between 1922 and the 1938 
USDA aerial photo, it was replaced by a metal table with no 
superstructure.

Unfortunately, I'm having trouble trying to find Q annual reports 
online, and the time period 1922 to 1938 represents 8 reels of 
microfilm of the Schuyler newspaper, of which the Nebraska State 
Historical Society will only loan two at a time.  So the question of 
just when the turntable was replaced will need to wait.

Does anyone have a company plan of the gallows turntable?  Lacking 
that, I'll perspective-correct the Chester photo and scale the table 
based on the K-1 locomotive it's carrying (interestingly, the same 
class as #608 and #625 which were assigned to the Schuyler run 
pre-WWII).

Randy
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