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Subject: RE: [CBQ] Tilting Tenders
From: Hol Wagner <holpennywagner@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:50:14 -0700
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Sorry, guys, I misspoke.  Only three GN engines -- 1905-1907 --went to the Q as 
4000-4002.
 
Hol
 
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From: holpennywagner@msn.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:19:52 -0700
Subject: RE: [CBQ] Tilting Tenders [1 Attachment]














 

 



  


    
      
      
      

When Ken noted that the Q's initial group of T-1s, diverted from a GN order, 
may have been the first Burlington locomotives equipped with the tilting Ryan & 
Johnson "coal pusher" (which indeed they were), it recalled to me the attached 
photo, which appeared I Dianne R. Osmun's 2011 "Images of America" series book 
on Creston, Iowa, from Arcadia Publishing.  The image is from the collection of 
the Union County Historical Society at Creston, and while the presumption has 
always been that the four GN Mallets, 1905-1908, were renumbered CB&Q 4000-4004 
at Chicago, this photo clearly disproves that supposition.  GN 1906, soon to 
become Q 4001, appears dead in a train at Creston, headed west for acceptance 
by the Q (at Lincoln?) before being relettered and entering pusher service on 
Crawford Hill in western Nebraska.  The headlight is covered and the stack, 
bell, whistle, pop valves and main rods removed for transport, and the 
locomotive clearly bears its Great Northern lettering, so it was obviously not 
relettered at Chicago -- or at West Burlington, since it is well past that 
point already.  Thus Lincoln -- possibly Havelock -- seems probable.  The men 
in the tender actually appear to be examining the workings of the Ryan & 
Johnson device.  Compare this view with the one of the engine a few months 
later, in service on Crawford Hill, that appears on page 9 of Burlington 
Bulletin No. 34 on the Q's Mallets.  An interesting, previously unseen photo!
 
Hol
 
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From: krmiddle@charter.net
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 17:04:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Tilting Tenders














 

 



  


    
      
      
      


As John Mitchell mentioned, this was not an exclusive Q 
design. In fact I strongly suspect (without doing a lot of digging) that the 
first ones acquired by the CB&Q were the T-1s received in 1908. These were 
actually Great Northern engines 1905(1st), 1906(1st) and 1907(1st), but were 
held over in Chicago by the CB&Q when they were being shipped to GN and 
renumbered as 4000-4002. I think it's interesting that when Overland built 
their 
models of the F-2 (rebuilt from T-1s) their model had a tilting coal bunker 
that 
worked.
 
There is a good view of the rear of a somewhat different 
design of tilting tender showing the cylinders that activated it on page 208 of 
Steam Locomotives of the Great Northern Railway.
 
Best regards,
 
Ken Middleton
Portage, MI
krmiddle@charter.net

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  I was cleaning up a builder's photo on O-2 5248 which features a tilting 
  coal bunker, presumably the forerunner of the coal pusher.  The questions 
  are: Was this design exclusive to the CB&Q?  Was this designed by the 
  Q's Mechanical Department?  Was the mechanism steam or air 
  powered?





    
     

    
    






                                          



    
     

    
    






                                          
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