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There is a link. I don't have it right now, but a Google search will get it. On Monday, December 16, 2013 3:47 PM, Rick <rkeil6721@hotmail.com> wrote: Is there a specific link/location or just do a Google search?
Thanks Ricky
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com From: cbqrr47@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:51:52 -0800 Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Passenger Train Wreck at Red Oak in 1942 Check the ICC reports on line.
On Monday, December 16, 2013 2:45 PM, Rick <rkeil6721@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bill That is why I put the preface about the CZ in the first part of the email as I was pretty sure it wasn't the CZ but I needed to confirm with the knowledgeable people on this list. I'll see if I can get a date and time of the alleged incident to try and narrow the train choices down. I agree that it is more than likely rumor. However, unless the question is asked, it will always be a rumor. I've been through Red Oak and I'm sure it was even more rural in 1942. That doesn't mean it couldn't happen, it would probably be far easier to cover something up in a rural area than a more metropolitan area. As a final point, it may not have been in Red Oak but near Red Oak and there is nothing out there for miles. But I'm guessing you're right about Mr Corbin, he proably would have known something if it were real. Thanks Ricky Keil Papillion, NE
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com From: clipperw@gmail.com Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 10:05:42 -0600 Subject: [CBQ] Re: Passenger Train Wreck at Red Oak in 1942 Ricky, As someone else noted, the CZ did start operation until 1949. In 1942, the West Coast train was the Exposition Flyer, inaugurated in 1939. Of course, at that time, there were a number of passenger trains that passed through Red Oak each day, including the Denver Zephyr. Since that was during the early days of WWII, there were also a number of troop trains that probably ran as extras or sections of other trains. Most of the trains wold have been heavy weight equipment as Q's stock of individual lightweight Budd cars was somewhat limited. If your friend knows the time of the accident, I am sure that someone with a timetable from the period could determine which train it was.
Personally, I rather doubt that the wreck was caused by sabotage. There are very few reported instances of railroad sabotage during the war and most of those were rumors. The most prominent one was the wreck of a Nickel Plate tank train in Ohio and that was never proved to be sabotage. While there were some very minor instances of German agents infiltrating the U.S. during the war, all of those were confined to the east coast and arrived by U-boat submarines. They were also quickly captured without doing significant damage. The only German combatants that I have ever heard of in the Midwest were captured soldiers held in camps in Wisconsin and other locations. Keep in mind that Red Oak was the home of one of the most active Q railfans, Bernard Corbin and he seemed to have more than normal access to the RR's activities during the war, including photography. I am sure that if a sabotage event occurred anywhere near Red Oak, he would have known about
it. Red Oak was and is a relatively small town and the area around it is rural farm country. Otherwise, I suppose that it makes a good fictitious story, but such stories have a way of becoming fact and undermine the real history.
Bill Barber
Gravois Mills, MO
On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:04 AM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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