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Subject: Re: Fwd: [CBQ] Commuter train personnel
From: "Larry" <lsallee@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:23:40 -0000
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Wow, Leo, thanks so much for the great explanation - I really appreciate it! I 
unfortunately don't recall any photos of mine that might have an action shot of 
baggage handling, but if I happen to find one down in the deep musty archives, 
I'll let you know right away.

Thanks again,
Larry

--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, qutlx1@... wrote:
>
> Larry,
>  
> Again a nice shot !
>  
> What I am describing was suburban train crew consists until the early  
> 1980s. First let me say first that the Condr in the picture(first man on the  
> ground is Dave Hicks) then the next man back is RR Charles who was a 
> character 
>  and a half and also wrote a short paper book of his RR adventures. He 
> started  out as a switchman on the IHB.
>  
> On the "dinkies" minimum train crew was a Condr and two brkmn(officially  
> classed as collectors which had a slightly higher rate of pay than a 
> passenger  brkmn.). They would split ticket collecting between them.In the 
> picture 
> you  posted the baggage section of the power car would handle 
> newspapers,company  mail and checked baggage.I am not sure the man in the 
> doorway is a 
> working  employee as while there was a seperate baggagemens roster and the 
> postion  was a promotion above brkmn but below Condr with a commensurate rate 
> of 
> pay; I  am not aware of seperate baggamens postions by the time of your 
> photo on the  dinkies.This man may be a "deadhead" riding home. Also note he 
> is 
> not  giving a highball,which to me confirms he is not working the train. 
> Other photos  I've seen, the man in baggage section does give a highball. By 
> this time period  the "baggage work" was the "middle mans" responsibility. He 
> generally went up to  the power car and took off his jacket and hat. As 
> explanation each postion on a  dinky was bid and fixed,you were either the 
> Condr,extra collector,middle man or  rear man. Only a few non rush hour 
> trains 
> had a baggage car. By the late the  early 70s they were gone and one job 
> handled company mail from a double  deck.
> Going way back there was also express and mail service in full baggage  
> cars.
>  
> For rush hour trains making many stops there were extra collector postions  
> that roamed between trains at specific times handling portions of cars  
> between certain points. They would literally get off and on at stops in the  
> burbs. These were preferred jobs . Skip stop rush hour trains had the 
> standard 
> 3  man crew and could handle the ticket work after (eastbound) or before  
> (westbound)the outlying stations.
>  
> Finally I'll make a general appeal......I have written an in depth future  
> BRHS Zephyr article on Mail,Baggage and Express service on the dinkies but  
> would love to include a photo of a trainman loading or tossing off 
> newspapers or  baggage,etc to round out the article. I have other photos of 
> baggage 
> cars on  dinkies in CUS and on line but an action shot would really complete  
> the article. 
> 
>  
> Leo Phillipp
> Former Asst & Local chairman of Aurora,IL UTU Lodge 171 and safe keeper  of 
> the historical lodge records from  1890-1970s.
> I just processed and added this
> <https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bYvnkpm0LLUDtSEWHIoKVtMTjNZETYmyP\
> Jy0liipFm0?feat=directlink>  image to my gallery, and looking at the
> employees visible in the photo, I got to wondering about a couple of
> things. Might be pretty dumb questions here for somebody who's been
> around railroads all his life, but I realized I just didn't know.
> 
> I notice one visible trainman for each car. I assume this would be a
> conductor and 2 brakemen. Would there always be the same number of
> trainmen on every commuter train, regardless of size (even with much
> larger trains during rush hour)? Was there a separate class of employee
> that would have been ticket collectors, or would those have always been
> a conductor/brakeman?
> 
> What exactly was the purpose of the baggage/coach and its employee (I
> assume the guy with his head stuck out the door is an employee)? Mail?
> Newspapers? I did notice a newspaper truck backed up to the station in
> another photo.
> 
> Larry Sallee
>




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