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From: Gerald Edgar <vje68@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:26:21 -0500
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Again courtesy of NP list & their expert Bill Keubler (who did a book on NP 
Passenger trains).  Some great comments re: Menk's affect on NP whereas we 
recall him on the Q for his ending steam excursions.
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The following is only one "typical" consist, but it happens to be the 
one I remember seeing the most in summer '69:

3 F-units

Water-baggage
Mail-dorm
581-585 series coach (former Holiday Lounges)
dome coach
dome coach (see note)
Traveller's rest
Budd Dining Car
Slumbercoach
Lounge-in-the-Sky dome sleeper
Dome sleeper
8-6-4 sleeper

Note: sometimes the 581-series coach would be behind the two domes, but 
almost always the two domes were coupled together. Also, in summer 
season there would often be a second Day-Nite or Deluxe Day-Nite coach 
coupled in the coach section, either in front of or behind the two dome 
coaches. Again, the dome coaches almost always were coupled together.

Not a very smart consist, and one that definitely reflected the 
retirement (back in '63) of Walt Rodine, who had wisely decreed that 
domes should not be coupled together (except if necessary west of 
Pasco). His "decree" lasted until shortly after Menk took the helm. 
Coincidence?

Like I said, quite a few variances to this car lineup. Example: on a 
couple occasions in August '69 saw the T-Rest in FRONT of the two dome 
coaches and behind a flat-top coach. Goofy.

Amazingly, The Mainstreeter was actually more consistent in '69. Typical:

Two F-units

Lightweight baggage car, occasionally two baggage cars (see note)
2 coaches, occasionally three, all lightweights
Economy Buffet car (450-455 series, converted)
Slumbercoach

Some transcon! A gust of wind might blow it away. At the risk of 
sounding redundant, I was always tempted to call this the "Lou Menk 
Limited," where the second term referred to train length and not number 
of stops (albeit on a fast schedule--since '68).

Note: When two baggage cars appeared, one of them might be a lightweight 
or, on rare occasions, a heavyweight. Most of the time the train was 
only five cars long east of Pasco (not sure about west of Pasco), but 
occasionally six or seven. Two units, in any case. Once in a while, 
they'd have a baggage car coupled to the rear of the train, removed from 
No. 2 at Fargo and coupled on to No. 1's train later that day. There 
were even a few runs with TOFC on the rear, but seems to me that was 
mostly the winter of '69-'70. Dreary days.

Bill Kuebler



Gerald                                            

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