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Subject: [CBQ] Re: Fourth Main
From: William Barber <clipperw@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 09:32:54 -0600
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Glen,

While I now realize that my earlier comments were obviously  
incorrect, yours and those of Leo Phillips quoting from Overton's  
Burlington Route of 1965 raises another question. The installation of  
the fourth main in the late '20s completed in 1930, had to be a  
relatively expensive modification, particularly with the line  
adjustments that you describe. My guess is that a construction job of  
that magnitude in 1920s dollars might have been $5 to $10 million  
dollars. To tear it out a mere 4 years later suggests a significant  
corporate blunder. The removal cost and associated modifications  
would have been fairly expensive in a time period of very tight  
corporate dollars. I wonder if anyone can shed more light,  at this  
late date, on the decision process that initiated the construction  
and the later decision process that determined that it was economical  
to remove the track. Certainly, the installation did not pay for  
itself in those few years of service.

I assume that there was a business case developed to justify the  
original construction expenditure. What possible savings drove the  
decision to remove the track? I suppose that maintenance costs were  
one, but new track structure with the lighter loads of the Depression  
should have required very little maintenance. Tax reduction might  
have been another savings. It certainly appears that a mistake was  
being corrected, but why was the RR in such a hurry to get it done.  
It seems to me that there is more to this story that would be of  
interest. Of course, this isn't the only corporate mistake made by  
the Hill Lines. There was a hump yard built at Minot, ND, I believe,  
that was never used for it's intended purpose. More recently, there  
was the reconstruction of Galesburg Yard in the '80s that also was  
never fully utilized as intended.

BTW, thanks for the excellent description of the work done to create  
the fourth main.

Bill Barber
Gravois Mills, MO

On Mar 6, 2011, at 2:44 AM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Re: Fourth Main
> Posted by: "GLEN HAUG" glenehaug@msn.com   zephyr98072
> Sun Mar 6, 2011 12:14 am (PST)
>
>
>
>
> Rupert:
>
> There have been several messages about the 4th main, and the reply  
> from Leo Phillipp is correct. The 4th main is actually fairly well  
> documented in Chicago and Aurora Division timetables and signal  
> drawings and photographs. Construction was completed in 1930 with  
> the 4th track constructed on the north side from MP 21.31 (just  
> west of the signal bridge at Forest Avenue, Downers Grove) to Curve  
> 22 at Belmont. Curve 22 was shifted and the new track was  
> constructed on the south side thru Lisle to a point of change in  
> curvature in the west end of Curve 27. The west end of this curve  
> was also shifted and the new track was constructed on the north  
> side thru Naperville to MP 33.44 within the plant at Eola. The  
> signal bridges between Downers Grove and Eola (with a couple of  
> exceptions) were 3 track bridges, and they had a 14' extension  
> added to them (again with a couple of exceptions) on the side that  
> the new track was added. Some were relocated, so signal drawings  
> were prepared for the new footing locations. The older footings  
> were solid footings but the ones added in 1930 were pre-cast 2 stem  
> footings. If you look carefully at the signal bridges that have not  
> been replaced (or Q photographs), you can easily spot these details.
>
> When the 4th track was completed, the 4 mains were signaled as  
> follows: Main 1 Westward, Main 2 Eastward and Westward, Main 3  
> Eastward and Westward, and Main 4 Eastward. In 1934 the 4th track  
> was removed except portions left for sidings (i.e., Naperville),  
> and the entire removal was on the north side. This created what  
> essentially became a maintenance road under the north side of the  
> signal bridges. Photographs of the signal bridges after 1934 show  
> Eastward and Westward targets for new Mains 1 and 2, and Eastward  
> targets only for new Main 3. Main 3 remained an Eastward track  
> until CTC.
>
> Glen Haug



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