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Re: [CBQ] Re: No good deed goes unpunished

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: No good deed goes unpunished
From: "Harold Huber" <sarge9@bresnan.net>
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 07:11:29 -0600
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All,
I am the one that started this and I have no apologies.  As a Librarian and 
writer I can tell you the general attitude is they will not do anything or as 
we have seen on this list, many persons own misconceptions.  This is the law, 
how ever you feel about it good or bad.  As stated below, some companies have 
people searching the net (the worse abuse of the copyright law) I did not want 
the CBQ Historical Society or this list to be sued for some one breaking the 
law.  I as an author would give permission, but the publishing company would 
not they are in the business to make money.  But I can tell you when I had a 
poem stole a verse added to the poem and it published all over the internet it 
infuriated me to no end.  I was given a public apology and the person admitted 
to stealing (yes, that is what it is stealing, whether money was made or not.  
Just as stealing movies by copying them).  Let's drop this and continue with 
the good information that is available here.  Remember the item does not even 
need to be published, as soon as it is written it is protected by the copyright 
law.  If you get something from someone else it is their idea and copyrighted.  
A simple fix is use the correct citation (either MLA or APA) and attach it to 
the item being used.  Then it is for educational, intellectual use.  Then if 
someone else posts it somewhere else it is on them but not this list or the 
owner of the list when the people come hunting you.
Harold Huber
Sheridan, WY
Research Librarian
Ultimate Research
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: qmp211 
  To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 11:07 AM
  Subject: [CBQ] Re: No good deed goes unpunished






  I didn't post the copyright information to start a war or make a personal 
attack on anyone. 

  10 minutes of research on the internet and then believing what you read is 
legal regarding copyright usage will sooner or later get you inextricably mired 
down with copyright attorneys. I'm not a copyright attorney. But I employ one 
to handle our needs.

  Internet usage is a slippery slope. Fair Use most commonly pertains to 
certain, limited parts of an article reprinted in a review, not the entire 
article being reproduced. That is not Fair Use.

  The only people Railway Age might pursue would be Mark and Dave. Everyone 
else skates away.

  I only posted the information to illuminate the popular misconceptions about 
fair use and public domain. I did that because Railway Age/Progressive 
Railroading are very protective of their copyrighted material. The material 
they published is an asset of their corporation. To use it without permission 
is stealing, like it or not.

  So if you are offended by the rules, fine. Do whatever you want. 

  If you are industrious, call Simmons-Boardman. Ask them about this specific 
article, its intended use and then ask them to send you a letter authorizing 
the use. Upload the letter to the list.

  Remember the U.P. licensing fiasco. If these guys think they can make a buck 
they will. They hire outside companies that do nothing but troll the internet 
using sophisticated search engines to look. Then they send a letter and an 
invoice.

  So who pays when everyone else skates away? Mark and Dave.

  Randy Danniel

  --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, Tim Fleck <tf5077@...> wrote:
  >
  > WAA WAA WAA....
  > 
  > 
  > What a way to destroy a list...... Let the department of Justice who Iam 
sure has nothing better to do than chase down copyrite offenders # 1 No one is 
using the information for monetary gain. # 2 It is being shared for education 
purposes. A couple of examples at which are looked at for infringement. 
  > 
  > Thanks Mark for sharing the information........
  > 
  > --- On Sun, 6/7/09, mark.g92753 <markg99051@...> wrote:
  > From: mark.g92753 <markg99051@...>
  > Subject: [CBQ] No good deed goes unpunished
  > To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
  > Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 10:57 PM
  This is absolutely ridiculous. I have pulled the file. If anyone wants to 
read the article, e-mail me and I'll send it to you. 
  > 
  > I am 100 percent confident that there never was any violation of anything, 
and I'm absolutely willing to assume full responsibility. Ten minutes of 
research will yield hundreds of similar examples of fair use. But, I see no 
reason to continue the debate. 
  > 
  > Thanks for the many kind notes from those of you genuinely interested in 
learning more about the CB&Q and preserving the history of the same. I am happy 
to share new information with others as I learn more about the history of the 
railroad and hope to connect with likeminded individuals who will share 
information they discover as well. 
  > 



  

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