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[CBQ] RE: CB&Q repros & fantasy items

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Subject: [CBQ] RE: CB&Q repros & fantasy items
From: "Gerald A. Edgar" <vje68@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:45:20 -0000
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The Calendars - Arch was very observant.  As we know, there are only 
8 or 9 different "years" over the decades; i.e. January will start 
on "x" day of the week on a repetitive basis (leap yrs throw off a 
few).
These calendars are fake (I have an original).  Now it is possible 
the sellers bought then in good faith because after all even a Q fan, 
unless he is a serious collector of a particular class of items 
(TT's, passes, calendars, menus, china, etc) may not catch the repro 
and certainly not a generic RR collector or antique dealer (if repro 
is done well).  And if you don't want to spend the $50-100 to have an 
original but want to go $10 for something like this for a train room, 
fine.  Just know what you are buying.

As for the PZ menu - wish the party who saw it @ Dbq had said 
something to me as I have about 200 different original Q menus (other 
menu collector mbrs who were present @ Dbq included Bill Glick & Brad 
Slaney).  Al Holck has a lot of TT's & Arch Hayden is tops with 
lanterns and H&StJ items, etc.  MArk Hamre was also present & knows 
hardware & CB&N very well. There are a number of us who can fairly 
quickly tell you if something is a repro or 'fantasy' item.  When I 
did my clinic on Q collectibles @ St. L, I showed several fakes such 
as the 1878 TT.   When it comes to menus in particular, most 
originals had a variety of inside printing (B, L, D, special groups, 
years, etc) that means if you suddenly see 3 vintage menus identical 
inside & out, you should be suspicious. Backs of stock menus also 
varied (I have a stock TCZ menu with 4 variations on its back 
design).  Note too we offered a repro Q TCZ menu for dinner @ Dbq.  
It was for a Shriner trip (the original in my collection came from 
the Mason himself whom I met at a Masonic function). I chose it as it 
was an uncommon variation of a stock cover.  There was also a repro 
menu @ the Galesburg meet for the Q-related Grier's restaurant chain.

"Fantasy" items:  For example, on eBay & at RR shows are clear glass 
tumblers with red/black BR herald.  These did NOT exist on the Q.  
Ditto for some wrist & pocket watches, cannery, badges, etc.  Think 
twice before spending premium dollars for such items.  IF you want a 
Q glass to drink from fine, but buy at as a cheap glass, not as an 
expensive original dining car artifact.

When in doubt, contact one of our BRHS mbrs who has expertise in 
certain areas.  We are always happy to help!   Gerald





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