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Re: [CBQ] Decals & Gray Ghosts

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Decals & Gray Ghosts
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:00:06 -0500
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Ken, 
Thanks,but the decals curled so bad I sidetracked the project. The red turned 
pink with the Microscale recommended decal saver. 
I stopped using Testors Dullcoat years ago because I felt it yellowed or 
frosted the color too much. Now this was the old organic based formula. If they 
have a water base I haven't tried it.
I should mention that the Accuflex Antique White is a close match to Genesis' Q 
gray that's why I like it.

There has been many fist fights over the Aluminum in the mix and the alleged 
accuracy of the mighty Dupont paint chip. The perception of color can vary 
greatly as the chip would have been painted differently than say, an actual F 
unit. So I don't buy the argument in favor of the model paint matching the chip.
Joe Legner once told me that the aluminum in the paint oxidized as it was 
sprayed from the gun and caused it to look more like an ultra light gray rather 
than a silvery mix. Further enviornmental exposure caused it to lighten more. 

Look at the wonderful Morning Sun  or Four Ways West books, your slides and 
videos and judge the color by how you perceive it. I've just introduced a 
billion variables didn't I??/
If Kodachromes are underexposed slightly the sky will be a deeper cobalt than 
what you see in the real sky so it stands to reson that the Q Grayback may look 
darker than a slide that was overexposed and the motor looks more white. The 
paint will also fade through constant washing too and the Q was proud of thier 
early motors. 
Offset printing also adds more variables. How was the slide scanned?? Was it 
color corrected?? Was it scanned without correction and how did the platemaker 
or pressman account for color shift or dot gain??? Any of the scans I bought or 
had project managed for my print jobs have never been a match from the first 
round of proofs. The scanner operator has gone back to the file and adjusted 
the color to look better or closer to the original and sometimes it takes 4 or 
5 rounds before he gets it right. Then he has to adjust for the press and 
paper/substrate characteristics. I wonder how many hours they spend on 1 image 
colorcorrecting for a 200 image Morning Sun book???Did they have a F7 in the 
parking lot to judge color by??? I  know Bernie did but his books were Black & 
White?

You could go by the EMD publicity prints and guess they color matched to thier 
version or reality but were they color blind? were they trained in color 
separtion???
It's all highly accedemic. Almost nobody is right or wrong but you can make fun 
of the silver TYCO F-7s. 
When I took delivery of my Genesis ABBA set I thought they were close or better 
than Stewart's color ( nice color for cov hoppers) but they begged for a 
beatin' with the Paasche H. That's how I solved my color crisis. Filthy the top 
deck, dirty bow wave on the sides and dirty pilot.

Whatever color hits you and screams BURLINGTON is what should be used. Don't go 
by what the bottle says go by your perception of the color. And have a good 
story just in case.

Sincerely,
Rob Manley
Midwest Mod-U-Trak
 "Better modeling through personal embarassment"


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ken Martin 
  To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 7:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [CBQ] Digest Number 2525


  Rob,
  Try spraying the decal sheet with dullcoat before cutting them. This is 
  an old technique for bad decals and should hold them together.

  Ken Martin

  > Subject: Re: Grayback F unit color
  > 
  > Decals. Hmmmmm. Let's see. I went through 8 sets of microscale before they 
curled so much I stripped the ABBA FTs down to thier plastic again. 
  > Microscale tells me that they had a bad run of RED ink. so all the new 
artwork sets are bad. They fracture in the water or on the shell.
  > Remember Humpty Dumpty???
  > And guess what? Decal saver doesn't help them either. It turns the red 
frosty, slightly less red than they should be.
  > It's enough to make you model Penn Central.
  > I have an older set without the porthole gaskets that I found that may 
work.We'll see but don't expect to see anything from me at Dubuque, I'm working 
on freight cars.
  > 
  > Rob ManleySincerly,
  > Rob Manley
  > Midwest Mod-U-Trak
  > "It's just that I love boxcars and I love to read the names on them like 
Missouri Pacific, Great Northern, Rock Island Line"
  > On the Road----Jack Kerouac
  > 
  > 



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