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RE: [CBQ] Re: #2486 VO1000 Info

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From: "Myers, Scott V." <svmyers@southernco.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 15:32:08 -0500
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Thread-topic: [CBQ] Re: #2486 VO1000 Info
Greg,
    I must have been thinking of the BB issue on the Alco S2s.  The
various books you cited must be where I am remembering seeing photos of
the VO-1000s with various stack combinations.
 
Scott Myers


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        From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of graywolfs2
        Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 2:58 PM
        To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [CBQ] Re: #2486 VO1000 Info
        
        
        Simon, Roy, Scott, Bill, Jan,
        
        In researching what information I have at hand, I can pass this
info 
        on to you about the VO-1000.
        
        I was able to gather this info from 3-4 different sources in my 
        own "library" of CB&Q books I own.
        This info comes from:   
        
        1. Burlington Route Color Pictorial Vol. 1 by Al Holck
           pages 58-59
        
        2. Burlington Route Color Pictorial Vol. 2 by Al Holck
           page 22
        
        3. CB&Q in Color Vol. 1 by Mike Spoor
           page 17
        
        4. CB&Q in Color Vol. 3 by Mike Spoor
           pages 116-117
        
        5. Hub of Burlington Lines West by A. Holck
           page 138
        
        
        Bill is correct about the back-pressure issue and over heating.
But 
        of the 30 VO-1000's owned by the "Q" only 17 were modified to a
4 
        stack design, and what I read, the modifications were done by
the 
        Burlington. The ATSF also had the same problems and used the 
        same "fix".
        
        However, the VO-1000's were delivered in two (2) groups.
9350-9357 
        in October/November of 1943 and 9358-9379 in October/November of

        1944. They rode on AAR trucks and had the De LaVergne 4 cycle
in-
        line 8 cylinder engines.
        
        The books state that most of the 4-stack engines (motors?) were 
        assigned to the St. Joe Division and worked out of Kansas City 
        (Murray Yard?).
        
        I went to the Stewart web site and looked up the road numbers
that 
        they did the "Q" engines in, looked through the photos in the
above 
        mentioned books and came up with this:
        
        9353 - 4 Stacks   w/radio    6-1961(photo date) Murray Yard.
(1.)
        
        9365 - 4 stacks   w/radio   10-1960(photo date) St. Joe
(1.)
        
        9355 - 4 stacks   w/o radio  4-1967(photo date) Valdosta, GA.
(2.)
        
        (The numbers in parentheses refer to the book the info comes
from, 
        see beginnig of the post.)
        
        
        The VO-1000 lasted on the "Q" into the mid 60's when they were 
        traded in to GE as partial payment for new units (I presume GE 
        units). 11 of them were sold by GE topower short ACL, becoming
SCL 
        units upon the ACL-SBD merger in 1967 (hense the photo taken in 
        Valdosta, GA. this photo shows #9355 still in "Q" paint and
number).
        
        One last bit of "Q" trivia in regards to the VO-1000's, they
were 
        the only units to have the yellow/red sill stripes reversed from

        what the other hood/switcher engines had. On the VO-1000's the 
        yellow stripe was on top, with the red on the bottom. All the
rest 
        of the hood/switchers were red on top, yellow on the bottom (
and 
        yes, Stewart did that correctly!).
        
        I also looked at my Bulletins, and there is no Bulletin
specifclly 
        covering the VO-1000. There is one covering the Alco S4
switchers 
        (diesel).
        
        I hope this helps, and I highly recommend, if you can, to seek
out 
        and purchase the books I mention above, they are EXCELLENT
sources 
        of info and photos of the Burlington Route. The authors (Al and 
        Mike) put lots of hard work into getting the information they
put in 
        the books as correct as possible!
        
        
        Greg K.
        Minnesota
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, clipperw@E... wrote:
        > Simon,
        > 
        > I believe all of the Q's Baldwin VO1000's were delivered on a 
        single 
        > order and they all originally had a single short stack near
the 
        rear of 
        > the hood. Those generally assigned to Kansas City and other 
        western 
        > point generally were modified to by the RR to the 4 stack 
        arrangement 
        > while, in general, those in the east including Chicago
continued 
        to 
        > operate with a single stack. Why, I am not sure. Supposedly,
the 4 
        > stack arrangement relieved an exhaust back pressure problem
that 
        was 
        > affecting diesel engine operation and maintenance. I am not 
        familiar 
        > enough with the Baldwin production to know whether they ever 
        delivered 
        > a 4 stack arrangement as original equipment. However, I recall

        reading 
        > that the 4 stack modification was supported and possibly
developed 
        by 
        > Baldwin engineers. It is also possible that they came up with 
        another 
        > design change to correct the problem in production.
        > 
        > Bill Barber
        > 
        > On Friday, August 5, 2005, at 06:08  AM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
        > 
        > >  Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:38:43 -0500
        > >    From: "Simon Griffin" <SIMON_GRIF@m...>
        > > Subject: Re: Stewart VO1000
        > >
        > > Roy, I am no expert on this by any means.  What I have read 
        suggests 
        > > that
        > > there is not an easy answer to this, and I don't think that 
        there is a
        > > definitive list for this.  Evidently, the initial production
run 
        of 
        > > these
        > > had a single low stack at the rear of the hood.  Later ones
were 
        > > delivered
        > > with 4 stacks.  Earlier ones were modified to 4 stacks.  
        Apparently 
        > > not all
        > > were modified however.  Perhaps someone else has more
definitive 
        > > answers to
        > > this.  I searched the forum archive and the question was
asked 
        several 
        > > times
        > > when the Stewart model came out, but I did not see any 
        conclusive 
        > > answer.
        > >
        > > Simon
        
        
        
        
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