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Subject: [CBQ] Re: XAP
From: "stephenr37" <gmayberry@cox.net>
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:07:27 -0000
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Rupert - sorry to have taken so long to respond to your questions, 
but I've been trying to clear up some other projects.

Wouldn't it have been great if CBQ could have stencilled the classes 
onto the cars like ATSF or SP did?

I may be the most unqualifed person to try to explain or deal with 
CBQ classifications since I don't have a copy of the diagrams (but am 
looking for a set!) and never worked for the department that 
determined classifications. Most of the information I've gathered is 
from the color guide, plus various articles in print, most 
particularly Mainline Modeler.

That said, I am getting the impression that CBQ had no problem 
reclassiying cars if something changed but may not have ensured that 
material made it into the diagrams in a clear, consistent manner. I'm 
wondering if one person may have had, say, a circa 1968 book that 
still was using 1966 sheets when it wasn't supposed to. I don't think 
that's a great example, but maybe you can catch my drift - there 
could be inconsistencies from one copy to the next.

Ken made a correction to 15000-15002 - is XAP-2, not XAP-1, XAP-1 
being 15100-15102.

19800-19824 - you mention these could be XML-3B. Again, I don't have 
a sheet, but I became aware of this series from the BN color guide, 
which unfortunately didn't mention CBQ class. XML-1 were a group of 
1955 cars, I have no idea on an XML-2 or XML-3, and cannot say either 
way if you might be correct about these being XML-3B.

Why would an XAP-5 (10000 in 1/64) be delivered earlier than an XAP-2 
(15000 in 9/64)? I can't explain, but 10001, also an XAP-5 was 
delivered in 11/64! Stranger still that 10001 would go on paper from 
XAP-5 to XM-6A back to XAP-5, unless maybe the car served briefy with 
the real XM-6A cars (10290-10299) in Kelloggs service instead of 
autoparts (XAP). The Kelloggs cars had plug doors and the 10001 did 
not, so why would they be the same class? Maybe assigning classes 
does have something to do with AFE rather than anticipated delivery 
dates because the AFE might have been planned on a contract they put 
together to serve a particular need, and that the needs of the 
service XAP-2 were decided before the needs of XAP-5. Now I'm getting 
into speculation...

Your notion of the 15000 class, does make perfect logical sense: 
15000-2 to XML-6A, 15003-14 to XML-6B, 15015-21 to XML-6C, 15022-47 
to XML-6D. I have no way of confirming this. The AAR XAP designation 
did seem to drop out of favor in this time period, largely being 
replaced with the XP AAR designation. And the L, such as in XML, was 
used to indicated loader-equipped, so maybe the cars were re-equipped 
with loader equipment necessitating a car classification change from 
traditional autoparts to another service, say a specialized autoparts 
service which required loader equipped cars. Speculation...

10200-10214 as XML-7? Again, I don't have the sheets to look at.

You mentioned some disrepancies in the CBQ built XM-4 groups - 
Beside the color guide, I can point to two articles: a Bat Masterson 
article in the July 1992 Mainline Modeler, and a Jim Eager article in 
the September 2002 Railmodel Journal which basically say what the 
color guide is saying.

Going back through the list, we can account for cars in various 
classes except for the following, which have yet to be confirmed as 
to what cars go with the classes if that is indeed the case (can't 
rule out the possibility that they skipped a class here or there, or 
everywhere):

XM-1, XM-2, XM-3, XM-8, XM-9, XM-10, XM-11
XAP-3, XAP-4
XML-2, XML-3, XML-6, XML-7, XML-9, XML-11, XML-13

(16 classes not determined)

and the series which don't presently have a class determined:

10010-10011
10012-10024
10200-10214
15103-15105
15106-15107
19800-19824

(6 series with no class positively determined)

16-6 = 10 of these classes may not exist?

Don't you wish they stencilled....

Waiting to hear what Ken is coming up with,

Stephen




 
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