I believe there was a picture in the last issue of MR.
Lenny Ohrnell
CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:
There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Budd CB&Q/NP Slumbercoaches
From: "thommack"
2. Re: Budd sleepers
From: Bob Webber
3. Re: N.J. 2-Track Signal Bridge Kit
From: "Paul Kossart"
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:40:44 -0000
From: "thommack"
Subject: Budd CB&Q/NP Slumbercoaches
Per Glen Haug back in June 2004:
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The two "Northern Pacific" lettered slumbercoaches owned by CB&Q were
#335 Loch Arkaig
#336 Loch Awe
According to information in Charles Rudisel's book, they were built in
1959 as NYC #10802 and #10803. The way I interpret Rudisel's
narrative, these two cars were among 8 cars that NP bought secondhand
in 1964, and then re-sold to CB&Q in 1965. They had the letters CB&Q
in the ownership name plate on the vestibule end and PULLMAN on the
opposite end. Although similar in some respects to the 4
slumbercoaches purchased for the DZ, they had no skirts, and had OSH
trucks.
Glen Haug
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Since the Walthers Slumbercoaches are prototype for the NP/CB&Q cars,
I relettered a Walthers Burlington Route car I had into NP with the
CB&Q sub-lettering. These cars were used on the NCL, so they fit my
era and area perfect. The Microscale NP passenger car decal set along
with the Walthers decals supplied with the car has everything you
need. They look great!
Tom Mack
Cincinnati, OH
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:39:34 -0500
From: Bob Webber
Subject: Re: Budd sleepers
All of the cars (but not the model manufacturers as that portion is still
under construction) can be found at:
http://www.drgw.org/data/passenger/lightweight.pdf
As for Slumber coaches you'll have to look all over as they came from all
over - but if you look at the NP section you'll see the ex- portion - the
CB&Q owned ones are noted in the CB&Q section.
At 02:52 AM 6/17/2005, you wrote:
>First off the Burlington didn't own any Budd 11 Bedroom Sleepers. Other than
>the sleepers on the 1936 Denver Zephyr sets, the Burlington owned the
>following Budd Sleepers.
>10-6 three configurations
>6-5
>16 Section, rebuilt with no external changes to 48 seat reclining chair cars
>6-6-4
>24-8 Slumber Coaches
>1-3 Vista Dome Observation
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>10-6 - CZ total of 6 built in 1948 Silver Point, Silver Shore, Silver Butte,
>Silver Cliff, Silver Falls, and Silver Valley
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>10-6 (1952) - CZ 2, Silver Crag and Silver Chasm.
> ARZ 2, Silver Dale and Silver Slope.
> Blackhawk 4, Silver Isle, Silver Meadow, Silver Plain and Silver Prairie
> all
>built 1952 These 8 10-6's differed from the 1948 CZ 10-6's they did not have
>the extra isle windows on the bedroom side.
>
>10-6 - DZ 6 built 1956 3 more 10-6's built in June and July 1956. These
>10-6's had a different configuration, from the vestibule, 4 roomettes, 6
>double
>bedrooms, and 6 roomettes. Thus placing the double bedrooms in the middle
>of the
>car, placing the higher accomidation in the quitest part of the car. Silver
>Ridge, Silver Plateau, Silver Hollow, Silver Terrain, Silver Ravine, and
>Silver
>Boulder.
>
>6-5 Sleepers, 3 - CZ 1952 Silver Dove, Silver Quail and Silver Thrush. 2 -
>DZ 1956 Silver Swan and Silver Pelican.
>
>16 Section 2- CZ 1948 Silver Maple, Silver Larch and 1 CZ 1952 Silver Cedar.
>All rebuilt to 48 reclining seat chair cars in the early 1960's.
>
>24-8 Slumbercoach 4 1956 DZ Silver Slumber, Silver Siesta, Silver Rest, and
>Silver Repose.
>
>6-6-4 Sleeper 1952 Silver Flower, Silver Gladiola, Silver Hyacinth, Silver
>Iris, Silver Orchid, and Silver Tulip
>
>1-3 Observation 3 - CZ 1948 Silver Penthouse, Silver Horizon, Silver
>Solarium, and 1 CZ 1952 Silver Lookout.
>
>Now remember these Pullmans I've listed are the Budd built post war sleepers.
>I know many went on into Amtrak service with some going through the Amtrak
>HEP conversion. Also in the late 1960's the Burlington had I think 2 Slumber
>Coaches from the NP placed in Q ownership, I'm not sure which ones.
>
>Right now as far as HO models go the only completely prototype models would
>be the Walthers Slumbercoach and these would only be the 2 that the NP
>transfered into Q ownership. As all the above listed sleepers (Pullmans
>even though
>built by Budd) had the full skirting. The NP Slumbercoaches didn't have the
>skirting. BLI has plans to build the 1948 CZ 10-6's. But Silver Crag and
>Silver
>Chasm won't be prototype for the BLI CZ Cars.
>All the Burlington Pullmans have been produced in brass by different
>importers.
>
>Loren Johnson
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>Yahoo! Groups Links
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Bob Webber
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:42:41 -0000
From: "Paul Kossart"
Subject: Re: N.J. 2-Track Signal Bridge Kit
--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, "Jerome Albin" wrote:
> Well after all these years, it finally looks like N.J.
International
> is going to release their Q 2-track signal bridge in HO scale.
Check
> out page 107 in July RMC magazine. Jerry Albin
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Jerry,
Do you (or anyone else)have a link to this item?
I've looked around N. J. International's site and find no mention of
it.
Thanks . . .
"Paul (Kossart)- The CB&Q Guy"
Peru IL USA
(Modeling 1969 In HO.)
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