The D&RGW coaches were not ex-C&O, a common error. Nor were they designed
by the C&O. They were designed by the design committee that designed all
of the passenger cars (among other things) for the Van Swerigan group of
companies, the Advisory Mechanical Committee. While Robert Young had a lot
of input into the cars, the AMC did the final design. This was especially
true fter the still-born Chessie and the expensive Budd equipment that
didn't work (or wasn't seen to work) for the railroad - in a few short
years, all but 4 of the cars were sold (including 3 to the D&RGW as dome
coach observations that were modified by the D&RGW into mid-train cars by
the addition of a diaphragm. The attempt to replace all passenger equipment
on WWII-level C&O trains was bound to fail - and it did - C&O had to try to
ditch a lot of orders and/or cars. They were able to cancel orders, they
were able to sell the spot orders (to the D&RGW among others) but these
cars were never owned by the C&O. They were also able to sell a lot of
cars (for instance to the IC, B&O and others).
The 124x coaches of the D&RGW were some of the finest coaches made, and
were no step down for the CZ. Walthers version is *NOT* correct in several
ways, the most glaring being the way the number board is set up for C&O -
on the end of the car over one truck, where as the D&RGW had theirs
centered. Unfortunately, given the location and method of molding, it is
not an easy thing to correct. There ARE 4-5 manufacturers that make this
car though, including NKP, USP and others.
The C&O 10-6, which again is a AMC designed car, is similar to the D&RGW
version (which also shows up frequently) although the D&RGW version was
converted to a 5-6-5 (with sections replacing one set of roomettes). Other
cars of this plan that also showed up came from the B&O and NKP.
By the mid-60's, the cars that show up most from the PRR and the NYC are
not 10-5's or 10'6s, but 4-4-2's. These cars also show up from the
AT&SF,SP&UP. 6-6-4's show up from the C&NW and the IC, as well as the UP.
The major problem with the P-S cars was the retention of water behind the
corrugations and in front of the siding. That caused many railroads to
remove all or parts of the corrugations and skirts. B&O and IC quested
that their cars be delivered sans corrugations. SP removed it when they
got their car from the C&NW. The D&RGW didn't have this problem, on most
cars, they did remove corrugations on the combines and skirts from them as
well. The tavern car that is still running around as a PV in D&RGW colors
(ex Amtrak, ex PC, ex PRR, ex D&RGW) named The Royal Gorge, also has the
corrugations removed, as well as the skirting. Cars in the Potomac Eagle
train also have had some or all removed (including some of the ex-D&RGW
cars. No telling if the Venezuelan cars or the Mexican cars (ex coaches
and ex 10-6's from the D&RGW respectively) are around or have their
corrugations).
If anyone is interested, I can provide the spreadsheet page that has the 61
cars of foreign cars that have been documented in the consists I
have. This won't include the non-CZ CB&Q SILVER prefix cars.
At 03:18 PM 4/28/2005, you wrote:
>In the 1960's it was common to see extra coaches in the CZ consist. It seems
>a couple of the "usual" coaches were the pre war Burlington Budd flat tops
>and
>the DRG&W Pullman Standard coaches, I believe these were ex C&O. I'm sure
>over the years other coaches were used when passenger traffic required extra
>cars.
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>Walthers made the DRG&W coaches in HO scale. However the Burlington flat tops
>have only been made in brass.
>
>For the foreign Pullmans..... I would think just about any Pullman showed up.
>In my HO CZ I use a Pennsylvania RR Cascade series 10-5. If I ever get it
>built, I will also use a C&O 10-6 In the C&O Passenger Freight Color
>Guide from
>Morning Sun, 2 of the 3 shots of the C&O 10-6's are in the CZ. "City of
>Montgomery" with skirts and "City of Staunton" without skirts are pictured
>in the CZ
>consist.
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>Very interesting since Walthers has announced a fluted Pullman Standard, 10-6
>Pullman, thus ACL, PRR, SAL,L&N, and other railroads could show up in a
>model of the CZ.
>
>Mike Spoor in his Burlington color books has found many shots of foreign
>Pullmans in the CZ consist.
>
>We've come along way since the days of the old HO plastic passenger cars,
>when the choice was AHM or Con Cor. I was told a couple of years ago by
>our local
>newspaper when I asked them to put in a story about the Little Q's Open
>House, they told me model railroading was a dying hobby. Well SOMEONE out
>there is
>buying all the new models being produced by many manufacturers if they
>weren't
>making a profit we wouldn't have all the new models coming out.
>
>Loren Johnson
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