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Re: [CBQ] Digest Number 2320

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Digest Number 2320
From: "John D. Mitchell, Jr." <cbqrr47@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:27:06 -0800 (PST)
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Don't forget the old MOP, almost all of their freight
engines had doghouses.
John D. Mitchell, Jr.
--- clipperw@EarthLink.net wrote:

> John,
> 
> To the best of my knowledge, Q and many other RRs,
> never applied 
> doghouses to their locomotive tenders. In most
> cases, the headend 
> brakeman was accommodated in the cab and, certainly,
> the square cabs on 
> the earlier 2-10-4s appear to have had enough room.
> Those with the 
> sloped front may have been a little tighter, When
> the hudsons were used 
> in freight service in later years, a small alcove
> was added to the back 
> wall of the cab on the fireman's side to accommodate
> an additional jump 
> seat. I think the the law required a seat, it did
> not specify how large 
> that had to be! Seat boxes on most steam locomotives
> were usually 
> pretty utilitarian compared to most modern diesels.
> On the O-1a mikes, 
> I am sure that the seats for both the fireman and
> head brakeman were 
> quite small because of the narrow space. I once rode
> in the cab of O-5 
> #5626 and it had a full seat for both the fireman
> and the head 
> brakeman, but that was a large cab.
> 
> Of the major RRs in steam days, the Pennsy and the
> D&RGW were the 
> primary users of dog houses. Most others found a way
> to accommodate the 
> head brakeman in the cab.
> 
> Bill Barber
> 
> On Wednesday, February 16, 2005, at 08:06 AM,
> CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> 
> >  Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:52:28 +0000
> >    From: railbass@comcast.net
> > Subject: Tender Doghouses
> >
> > I was once again admiring my new M-4a 2-10-4 that
> Bob Campbell sold me 
> > when something struck me.   It has no tender
> doghouse for the headend 
> > brakeman.   I model both CB&Q and D&RGW in HO.  
> Almost all of the 
> > D&RGW locos, including the later narrow gauge
> 2-8-2s, had tender 
> > doghouses.   I looked through Corbin and found no
> CB&Q engines with a 
> > tender doghouse.
> >
> > My understanding is that an agreement between the
> railroads and the 
> > unions in the early 20th century called for a seat
> protected from the 
> > elements for the headend brakeman on all freight
> and dual service 
> > locomotives.   This called for either a seat in
> the cab or a tender 
> > doghouse.   Now the M-4a, O-5, and other larger
> locos obviously had 
> > room in their large cabs for an additional seat
> for the brakeman, but 
> > numerous locos such as the O-1a's had small cabs
> which would not have 
> > had much room for additional crew.
> >
> > Did the Q have any steam locos with tender
> doghouses?   If not, how 
> > did they accommodate extra crew in the cab,
> especially on smaller 
> > locos?   This could have created some unpleasant
> circumstances, 
> > especially across Iowa and Nebraska in winter,
> although a tender 
> > doghouse could not have been well heated.   How
> did the Q handle this 
> > dilemma?
> > - John Manion
> >   Denver, CO
> 
> 


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