Forgot to add the following, the result of writing on little rest after a
long trip:
The database includes things you need to prepare a correct model - such as,
the correct type of air conditioning (which will affect the underbody
parts), the correct trucks (it isn't always going to be the same, and
Walthers didn't always pick the right ones for the right cars), the correct
steps, etc. - in short, what you need to build a credible model.
The last paragraph there needs some changes. You won't see a 12/1 with a
road name and NO A/C is how that should have read.
BTW, the Anaconda was shadow lined in 1951 and grey in 1956 (sold to the
FW&D in 1948).
McQuesten was a CB&Q car and Pullman records (found to date) do not show
CB&Q paint.
And, looking at the database, a LOT of the cars the CB&Q got are the
shorter 24xx plan cars - so be careful which cars names you use.
,
At 10:16 PM 11/7/2004, Bob Webber wrote:
>Walthers, unlike Branchline, is NOT making a habit out of putting the
>correct name and road name on cars. This can be a problem. Especially
>when they put a ex-gothic series of Pullman name on a newer car (meaning,
>among other things, you have a car name that should be on a shorter car on
>a longer car).
>
>I suggest that you find the PCL Yahoo group, and you find the Pullman
>Project on the web.
>http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/
>Follow the links, and you will find a database that the Pullman Boss has
>put together that should answer your questions. It will require some time
>to search, but it is a a worthwhile endeavor if you plan on running CB&W
>heavyweight trains (or anyone else's). Unfortunately, a simple answer is
>not available.
>
>Remember too that if you are modeling pre-1948 (depending on car) you will
>want the cars that say "Pullman" on a Pullman-green car with gold
>lettering (again depending on car, that is covered in the database in most
>instances).
>
>Another resources is the Bulletin with the Exposition Flyer as it is
>arguably the best passenger train book that has come out in years (and
>covers a lot more than "just" the Expo).
>
>Having said all that, 12-1's are not very likely to be found with air
>conditioning and a road name on them. By the time that you see both, they
>12-1's have either been converted to some other configuration, been
>relegated to troop trains, or have been demoted to tourist cars (but with
>Pullman on the letterboard).
>
>
>
>>Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:13:39 -0800
>> From: "Ray Bedard" <tczephyr@hotmail.com>
>>Subject: Help with Walthers 10-1 Pullmans
>>
>>I just purchased the Walthers 10-1 Pullman car lettered "Burlington" in the
>>modern lettering scheme. In checking with Bill Glick, his Passenger car
>>book, and all the books on I have on the Q for photos, I have not been able
>>to determine if this Walthers car is properly lettered. I think not as the
>>windows arrangement in the mens rest room is incorrect.
>>
>>I have only found one photo, in Dubin's book "Some Classic Trains" and the
>>Walthers car does not match the photo. I did find that the Walthers car is a
>>dead ringer for the GN "Oriental Limited".
>>
>>The Walthers car may only be correct for ONE of the 10-1 sleepers owned by
>>the Q as noted in Bill's book, page 36. That would be car number 617
>>"McQuesten". Note that the windows shown in the mens rest room are 4 single
>>windows but Bill notes that car 617 had 2 single windows and 1 paired window
>>in the rest room.
>>
>>Walthers included name decals for several of the cars, of course the
>>EXCLUDED the name "McQuesten"!
>>
>>In talking to Bill, we thought it might be appropriate to leave the modern
>>"Burlington" lettering on the letter board and in the body for the name of
>>the car to simply letter it "CB&Q" and the car number "617" directly under
>>these letters.
>>
>>??QUESTIONS??
>>
>>The other option would be to repaint the side, I already removed the side
>>and windows so this would be easy to do. But then is the letter board marked
>>"Pullman" and can the ends be marked with "CB&Q"? Was/were any of the car
>>letter boards marked with "Burlington" in the older roman style? Although I
>>am not a "rivit counter", I would like to be somewhat accurate.
>>
>>Does anyone know if any other cars in this series matched 617 with the
>>paired window in the rest room and if so, which ones?
>>
>>I have just ordered one of the Branchline 12-1 sleeper in silver "Anaconda"
>>used on the FW&D. Other than "Pullman" on the letter board, did this car
>>have the initials on the ends, either FW&D or DB&Q. Did it ever carry the
>>name "Burlington" on the letter board in place of Pullman?
>>
>>COMMENTS ABOUT THE WALTHERS MODEL:
>>
>>Overall, I like this car. Walthers did a very good job on it, the interior
>>is exceptional! However, I find that the factory paint is too dull for my
>>taste, as I prefer the finish on the Branchline models.
>>
>>Thanks for you help on this.
>>
>>Ray BEdard
>>San Jose CA
>>
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