Walthers, unlike Branchline, is NOT making a habit out of putting the
correct name and road name on cars. This can be a problem. Especially
when they put a ex-gothic series of Pullman name on a newer car (meaning,
among other things, you have a car name that should be on a shorter car on
a longer car).
I suggest that you find the PCL Yahoo group, and you find the Pullman
Project on the web.
http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/
Follow the links, and you will find a database that the Pullman Boss has
put together that should answer your questions. It will require some time
to search, but it is a a worthwhile endeavor if you plan on running CB&W
heavyweight trains (or anyone else's). Unfortunately, a simple answer is
not available.
Remember too that if you are modeling pre-1948 (depending on car) you will
want the cars that say "Pullman" on a Pullman-green car with gold lettering
(again depending on car, that is covered in the database in most instances).
Another resources is the Bulletin with the Exposition Flyer as it is
arguably the best passenger train book that has come out in years (and
covers a lot more than "just" the Expo).
Having said all that, 12-1's are not very likely to be found with air
conditioning and a road name on them. By the time that you see both, they
12-1's have either been converted to some other configuration, been
relegated to troop trains, or have been demoted to tourist cars (but with
Pullman on the letterboard).
>Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:13:39 -0800
> From: "Ray Bedard" <tczephyr@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Help with Walthers 10-1 Pullmans
>
>I just purchased the Walthers 10-1 Pullman car lettered "Burlington" in the
>modern lettering scheme. In checking with Bill Glick, his Passenger car
>book, and all the books on I have on the Q for photos, I have not been able
>to determine if this Walthers car is properly lettered. I think not as the
>windows arrangement in the mens rest room is incorrect.
>
>I have only found one photo, in Dubin's book "Some Classic Trains" and the
>Walthers car does not match the photo. I did find that the Walthers car is a
>dead ringer for the GN "Oriental Limited".
>
>The Walthers car may only be correct for ONE of the 10-1 sleepers owned by
>the Q as noted in Bill's book, page 36. That would be car number 617
>"McQuesten". Note that the windows shown in the mens rest room are 4 single
>windows but Bill notes that car 617 had 2 single windows and 1 paired window
>in the rest room.
>
>Walthers included name decals for several of the cars, of course the
>EXCLUDED the name "McQuesten"!
>
>In talking to Bill, we thought it might be appropriate to leave the modern
>"Burlington" lettering on the letter board and in the body for the name of
>the car to simply letter it "CB&Q" and the car number "617" directly under
>these letters.
>
>??QUESTIONS??
>
>The other option would be to repaint the side, I already removed the side
>and windows so this would be easy to do. But then is the letter board marked
>"Pullman" and can the ends be marked with "CB&Q"? Was/were any of the car
>letter boards marked with "Burlington" in the older roman style? Although I
>am not a "rivit counter", I would like to be somewhat accurate.
>
>Does anyone know if any other cars in this series matched 617 with the
>paired window in the rest room and if so, which ones?
>
>I have just ordered one of the Branchline 12-1 sleeper in silver "Anaconda"
>used on the FW&D. Other than "Pullman" on the letter board, did this car
>have the initials on the ends, either FW&D or DB&Q. Did it ever carry the
>name "Burlington" on the letter board in place of Pullman?
>
>COMMENTS ABOUT THE WALTHERS MODEL:
>
>Overall, I like this car. Walthers did a very good job on it, the interior
>is exceptional! However, I find that the factory paint is too dull for my
>taste, as I prefer the finish on the Branchline models.
>
>Thanks for you help on this.
>
>Ray BEdard
>San Jose CA
>
>
>
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>Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:06:46 -0800
> From: "Ray Bedard" <tczephyr@hotmail.com>
>Subject: CORRECTION Help with Walthers 10-1 Pullmans
>
>My error, the Walthers Pullman is a 12-1, not a 10-1.
>
>
>Ray Bedard
>
>
>
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>Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:57:12 EST
> From: jsteamernubes@aol.com
>Subject: Re: Re: Railroad Passes
>
>Bill Barber and List:
>
> Yes, the passes have historic value. To researchers working in that
>area, artifacts of a bygone era have value. What once was and is no more can
>never be resupplied. Don't part with any of the items, but make them
>available
>to creditable, accredited historians and researchers. The passes are the
>things Museums and books are made out of. There are several items in your
>list
>that I personally would like to see.
>
> It may not be a gold mine in monetary value, but it is certainly in
>historic, educational value.
>
> Jim Neubauer
>
>
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>Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 00:01:51 -0800
> From: jonathanharris@earthlink.net
>Subject: coaling tower kits
>
>List -
>
>While down at The Train Shop in Santa Clara, CA earlier today, I saw they
>had 3 (THREE!) of the old Model Masterpieces kits (Kit No. 125) for the
>300-ton Fairbanks Morse coaling tower. This is an HO scale craftsman kit
>(wood, "dental stone" base, plus white metal and styrene detail parts)
>which has been out of production some 20 years. It is a faithful copy of
>the Colorado & Southern facility in Denver's Rice Yard. The prototype,
>built in 1918 and torn down in 1946, serviced C&S (standard and narrow
>gauge), Burlington, and Santa Fe engines. They are selling these kits @
>$53, which I believe is the original 1982 price. I'd been looking for this
>model for a long time (and my birthday is next week), so I bought one, but
>there are two left, and I have a hunch they won't last very long. I would
>much rather see them go to a couple of real Burlington or C&S fans who will
>build them than to some "collector" or re-seller.
>
>A word of caution. The finished model has about 750 parts, many of which
>have to be cut and fitted, so this one isn't for the faint of heart.
>
>I'm sure the store will ship worldwide. Their phone # is 408-296-1050.
>
>Good luck,
>Jonathan
>
>
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