Hey Bob,
Does that include the Amtrak P40/42's you have on #3 and #4?
Regards
John C. Jacobs
P.S. They may have been screamers but the good old F40 LOOKED like a
locomotive. I think they would have looked cool in Q passenger colors.
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> There are 5 messages in this issue.
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> 1. Re: U28/30B
> From: "East Pass" <EastPass@19main.com>
> 2. Re: model plates
> From: cy svobodny <ctsvobodny@yahoo.com>
> 3. New file uploaded to CBQ
> From: CBQ
> 4. John Holland obituary
> From: "Norm Metcalf" <metcalf@attglobal.net>
> 5. Re: U28/30B
> From: amtrak347@aol.com
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> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:37:07 -0500
> From: "East Pass" <EastPass@19main.com>
> Subject: Re: U28/30B
>
> Rupert,
>
> Yes, the model plates were purely cosmetic. There were other roads
> that got units with the plates, C&O GP9's come to mind. CB&Q seems
> to be the only road that fell in head over heels on the concept.
> I think the idea originated with EMD but I do not know why.
>
> The U28B to U30B conversion, IIRC involves changing two electrical
> modules. Could have been done at monthly inspections at Lincoln.
> Have never seen dates.
>
> Russ
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> Sent: Friday, 11 June, 2004 02:51
> Subject: [CBQ] U28/30B
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> Listers
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> There's an error in the Diesel Roster on the BRHS site that have just
been found.
> 150-154 were shown in error as U30C's but should be U30B's.
> My apologies for this.
> Also, in passing, 140-9 should be U28B's, later repowered up to 3000 hp,
to become the equivalent of U30B's. Some were given new model designation
plates to reflect the new situation.
> Does anyone know the date when the repowering took place?
> On the subject of model designation plates, does anyone know why they
were affixed to the diesels? Was it purely cosmetic?
>
> Rupert
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> From: cy svobodny <ctsvobodny@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: model plates
>
> Milw. Rd. also used them on their home made GP-20's.
> Which actually wern't.
> --- East Pass <EastPass@19main.com> wrote:
> > Rupert,
> >
> > Yes, the model plates were purely cosmetic. There
> > were other roads
> > that got units with the plates, C&O GP9's come to
> > mind. CB&Q seems
> > to be the only road that fell in head over heels on
> > the concept.
> > I think the idea originated with EMD but I do not
> > know why.
> >
> > The U28B to U30B conversion, IIRC involves changing
> > two electrical
> > modules. Could have been done at monthly inspections
> > at Lincoln.
> > Have never seen dates.
> >
> > Russ
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rupert and Maureen
> > To: CBQ@YahooGroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, 11 June, 2004 02:51
> > Subject: [CBQ] U28/30B
> >
> >
> > Listers
> >
> > There's an error in the Diesel Roster on the BRHS
> > site that have just been found.
> > 150-154 were shown in error as U30C's but should
> > be U30B's.
> > My apologies for this.
> > Also, in passing, 140-9 should be U28B's, later
> > repowered up to 3000 hp, to become the equivalent of
> > U30B's. Some were given new model designation
> > plates to reflect the new situation.
> > Does anyone know the date when the repowering
> > took place?
> > On the subject of model designation plates, does
> > anyone know why they were affixed to the diesels?
> > Was it purely cosmetic?
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> > Rupert
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> Date: 13 Jun 2004 01:29:04 -0000
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> Subject: New file uploaded to CBQ
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> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 21:48:40 -0600
> From: "Norm Metcalf" <metcalf@attglobal.net>
> Subject: John Holland obituary
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> The Denver Post for Sunday 13 Jun 2004, page 34A has an obituary for John
> Holland. According to the obituary he began on the DSL in 1944, drafted
off
> the DRGW in 1950 where he became a steam-locomotive engineer for the U.S.
> Army, hired on with the CS in 1952 and retired from the BN as a
trainmaster
> in Cheyenne.
> Two warnings for those who might try to access this online at
> www.denverpost.com:
> 1) the obituaries are only posted through 11 Jun 2004
> 2) if you're running Windows www.denverpost.com will try to install at
> least the following spyware, adware and malware on your computer -
> doubleclick, Pradera, atdmt, 2o7 [2], mediaplex, advertising [1] and
> servedby.advertising [2].
> Norm Metcalf, Boulder CO
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 01:56:19 EDT
> From: amtrak347@aol.com
> Subject: Re: U28/30B
>
> Hi Russ -
>
> Not to be contrary (again) but I feel the locomotive model designation
> plates did serve a purpose to those who ran them. Remember the Q
restricted
> various tracks by "class" of locomotive, going back into the steam days.
Very few
> enginemen I knew at the time I hired-out in engine service were "buffs"
and
> thus couldn't tell one diesel loco model from the next without the model
> designation plate. It was generally understood that all classes of F
units were
> "Graybacks" and all Chinese Red units were "Red Birds" (never heard the
term
> "Black Birds" for the original GP-7 paint scheme). In Q days, there was
very
> little documentation on each individual locomotive; 1.) a ledger book
> (maintained in the cab) that recorded the "daily inspection" (date, time,
location
> and signature of the person making the inspection) with absolutely no
> reference to the "class" or model designation of the locomotive and 2.) a
small
> metal box in the nose of the unit which held 3" x 5" index cards each
specifying
> replacement of liners, heads, injectors, battery service, etc. I believe
it
> was post 1970 merger, that the CFR Rule 203 was established/changed and
> required that not only would a "daily inspection" card be conspicuously
displayed
> on the locomotive, and preferably in the cab of each unit, if so
equipped, it
> also required a "blue card" be similarly displayed (most likely for the
> convenience of FRA inspectors who had trouble "ID"ing loco models
themselves)
> upon which the locomotive model designation and locomotive horsepower
will be
> indicated. The "blue card" also had required test dates of various
appliances
> shown. In the 1990s, the CFR was modified again and Rule 203 became Rule
229
> with a few more additional requirements.
>
> Final comment: all GEs are JUNK!
>
> Bob Campbell
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