Norm;
Thanks for the detailed record for the MTZ assignments. Very helpful!
I must say that the entry for 6/18-9/7/1937 does puzzle me a bit. My
understanding has been that the Advance Denver Zephyr was only run
during late 1936 immediately prior to the full Denver Zephyr train sets
coming on-line.
The public timetable I have from June-September, 1937 lists trains
43/44, but notes the STL-BUR MTZ as being "temporarily assigned to other
service", but as mentioned previously, I didn't pick up on its
assignment from that TT. That same timetable shows the Denver Zephyr
with the full train set in the equipment listing and no mention of any
other equipment or trains (unless I missed it). Could it be that the
MTZ was being used as a second section on the DZ to accomodate overflow
passengers? Or was one or more of the full DZ train-sets out of
service for some reason? Or is there another explanation?
Might you or another member be able to shed more light on this?
Thanks in advance.
Kind regards, Rob Adams
Norm Andersen wrote:
>Rob,
>
>>>From my old CB&Q files, here's the record -
>
>Nov-Dec,36 - CHI-MSP, 21-24, daily round trip as Twin Zephyrs.
>1/5/37-2/8/37 - STL-BRL, 43-44, Mark Twain Zephyr.
>2/9/37-2/18/37 - STL-KCT, 29-30, Ozark State Zephyr.
>2/19/37-6/15/37 - STL-BRL, 43-44, Mark Twain Zephyr.
>6/18/37-9/7/37 - CHI-BRL, 1-10, Advance Denver Zephyr.
>9/9/37-12/15/37 - STL-BRL, 43-44, Mark Twain Zephyr.
>12/16/37-12/26/37 - STL-KCT, 29-30, Ozark State Zephyr.
>12/27/37-9/19/38 - STL-BRL, 43-44, Mark Twain Zephyr except 2/27 through
>3/10/38 when the train set ran as 17-18, Texas Rocket, FTW-HOU.
>9/25/38-10/23/38 - STL-KCT, 32-33, Ozark State Zephyr.
>10/24/38-Sep,39 - STL-KCT, 29-30, Ozark State Zephyr.
>
>FYI, Norm
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rob Adams [mailto:steamera@netins.net]
>Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 9:39 PM
>To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [CBQ] MTZ assignments during 1937-38
>
>Thanks Dave! I appreciate the info. Glad to hear that MTZ was back
>running over the K-line in 1937-38 in the event that I want to slide my
>modeling era a year or two.
>
>
>
>
>
>Dave Lotz wrote:
>
>
>
>>October 28, 1935 entered regular STL - BRL service as trains 42-43
>>
>>May 31, 1936 assigned to Advanced Denver Zephyr service as trains 1-10
>>
>>November 8, 1936 through December 18, 1936, the MTZ provided Chicago to
>>
>>
>Twin
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>>Cities service as trains 22-23
>>
>>December 18, 1936 through September of 1938 STL - BRL service as trains
>>42-43
>>
>>September 1938 through March 1942 assigned as the Ozark State Zephyr as
>>trains 32-33
>>
>>March 1942 through January of 1953 STL - BRL service as trains 42-43
>>
>>In January of 1953 was assigned to service with the 9900 between
>>
>>
>Galesburg,
>
>
>>Illinois and St. Joseph, Missouri, via Quincy as trains 3-4.
>>
>>May of 1957, returned to St. Louis to Burlington service until its
>>retirement in May of 1963 as trains 42-43
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Rob Adams [mailto:steamera@netins.net]
>>Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 11:46 AM
>>To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: [CBQ] MTZ assignments during 1937-38
>>
>>I'm trying to sort out the Mark Twain Zephyr's assignments during 1937
>>and 38 after it came off the Advanced Denver Zephyr run in December,
>>1936. Apparently in late 1938, it was assigned to the Ozark State
>>Zephyr run, but what about the interim? I've seen mention that it
>>returned to its original Burlington - St. Louis run after the ADZ
>>
>>
>stint,
>
>
>>but the public timetable I have from the summer of 1937 still bears a
>>notation that the MTZ is temporarily assigned to other service. Yet
>>unless I missed it, I don't find other evidence of its reassignment in
>>that TT (unless either the Sam Houston or Ozark State Zephyrs were
>>assigned more than one train set). I do not have any public TT for
>>
>>
>late
>
>
>>1937 or 1938 to shed further light on this question, so any help you
>>
>>
>can
>
>
>>provide will be most appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks in advance.
>>
>>Kind regards, Rob Adams
>>
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