These aerial photos you talk about, where do I go to view them?
Robert Brown
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Diocese of Missouri
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Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 6:04 PM
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CBQ] Digest Number 1984
There are 9 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. RE: Quick Books
From: Bob Webber <rswebber@concentric.net>
2. Re: Digest Number 1983
From: "Paul K." <kozys@insightbb.com>
3. Wanted: HO Proto2000 SD7/9 truck sideframes
From: "Dale DeWitt" <dcdewi@aol.com>
4. some more photos
From: "Greg Smith" <magichammer2@yahoo.com>
5. Re: Wanted: HO Proto2000 SD7/9 truck sideframes
From: Aeolus3@aol.com
6. Re: some more photos
From: amtrak347@aol.com
7. Re: some more photos
From: "Russell Strodtz" <vlbg@earthlink.net>
8. Re: some more photos
From: "Greg Smith" <magichammer2@yahoo.com>
9. Re: Re: some more photos
From: "Russell Strodtz" <vlbg@earthlink.net>
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:30:12 -0600
From: Bob Webber <rswebber@concentric.net>
Subject: RE: Quick Books
All of the QuickPic books show photos of equipment in their current
incarnation. As Dave mentions, keeping that in mind is critical.
For example, the first books were on the D&RGW & CS NG equipment. If one
were to look at these and determine how to place lettering (or even which
to use) and this was your sole reference you'd have trouble. Basically
what they do is take one piece of equipment and photograph everything on
it,sometimes getting angles that you can't normally obtain. All to the
good - assuming you are aware of what details were present for the era you
want to model and what details were placed after that period (or after it
was placed on exhibit). They typically do include some in-service photos,
but the bulk of the photos are the current detail shots.
If one were to model the C&S locomotive as it appears in the book (and in
Idaho Springs) then you wouldn't (prototypically) be able to run it. Same
goes for most of their subjects, But - if you want to know how the trucks
look (on the E units) and what details are on them (assuming MK didn't
make changes to them after they did their work on it), you'd not find a
better resource.
Just make sure you use other, contemporary photos to determine which
details and decorating is legitimate for the era modeled.
At 09:05 AM 3/3/2004, you wrote:
>Paul & CBQ Listers,
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>I took a look at the CBQ E-8 page and all should be aware.these are all of
>the cosmetically restored E-8 at St. Louis' Museum of Transport that John
>Lee & I spearheaded for the 2002 BRHS meet. If you are getting this book to
>see what the E-8's looked like in service on the CB&Q be warned. Unless
>they have other photos, those shown on the internet page (all very nice!)
>show details on the MK rebuild BN version - not the original CB&Q!
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>Dave Lotz
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>From: Paul K. [mailto:kozys@insightbb.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:15 PM
>To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [CBQ] Quick Books
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>* I came across this on another list. This is the first time I've
>heard of this company or it's product. I have no connection, compensation,
>etc., etc.
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>Note the new book on the Burlington E-8's.
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>Paul - "The CB&Q Guy" - Kossart / Peru, IL
>~ Modeling the CB&Q and its fictional Illiniwek River Valley Branch in the
>1960's.~
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>forwarded message follows ........................................
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>CB&Q E8A
>http://quickpicbooks.homestead.com/files/cbqE8abook.htm
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 22:26:04 -0600
From: "Paul K." <kozys@insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1983
John, Dave, Charlie...
Thanks for all of your recent replies/info. Much appreciated!
Take care,
Paul - "The CB&Q Guy" - Kossart / Peru, IL
~ Modeling the CB&Q and its fictional Illiniwek River Sub-Branch in the 1960's.~
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 04:50:37 -0000
From: "Dale DeWitt" <dcdewi@aol.com>
Subject: Wanted: HO Proto2000 SD7/9 truck sideframes
Would anybody out there have some extra truck sideframes for the HO
scale Proto2000 SD7 or SD9s? I am working on a project and need
enough for two locomotives. I would be happy to either purchase or
swap for some other parts that you might need.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Dale DeWitt
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 05:02:22 -0000
From: "Greg Smith" <magichammer2@yahoo.com>
Subject: some more photos
Hello,
I just added a few more shots including some taken by my friend Jim
Wetzler while doing some flying. The air shots date around 1980. I
was part of an HO club here in the Twin Cities area that loosely
modeled the Q between Trevino and LaCrosse. Much of the research
material and photos have been stored at another of the clubmembers
place, and he recently turned it over to me.
Greg Smith / Apple Valley MN
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 02:47:54 EST
From: Aeolus3@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO Proto2000 SD7/9 truck sideframes
Just talk to Life Like, I had a couple of truck sideframes on a Burlington
GP-7 that were damaged, they mailed out a set in 48 hours after I called them.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 03:41:29 EST
From: amtrak347@aol.com
Subject: Re: some more photos
Greg -
Thanks for posting the photos. Especially liked the aerial views. Any pix
of the Winona Bridge in that collection? Titles for the photos at East Winona
and Winona Jct. should be reversed (Q/GB&W junction is East Winona).
Bob Campbell
ex Relief Operator
East Winona, WI
summer, 1965
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 02:47:07 -0600
From: "Russell Strodtz" <vlbg@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: some more photos
Greg,
Can not place the meet on double track. Of course I
was not there in the 40's. Give me some time and I'll
sure give it a try.
The 40's from the cab view that is labeled East Winona
is at Winona Jct. Look at the sign on the canopy roof
at left.
Aerial CB&Q38 is Winona Jct. also.
Aerial CB&Q39 is East Winona
The aerial view of Nelson clearly shows the line change
West of the SH25 crossing. This was done well after it
was double tracked. The old grade crossing would have
been about 20' to the right of the one in this view.
At least when I lived there you could take a 4-wheel
drive vehicle a ways up the old right of way. Trees
are probably getting too big now.
The aerial view of Trevino is much grown over by now.
In addition the highway was moved when the new bridge
was built.
41 and 42 are of East Winona. In the case of 41 the
tracks, from left to right, are Tail Track, GBW
Interchange, GBW Main, BN Main, Controlled Siding,
Old Siding, River Track. The Controlled Siding is the
original Eastward track. Note that the GBW could only
deliver on the Old Siding or River Track. Never heard
a specific name for the connection between the GBW Main
and the Old Siding. 42 is working up stream from over
East Winona. There are two groups of cars on the GBW
Interchange. About 3/4 of the way up in this view, just
before the tracks merge into the trees at Winona Jct
you can see the fill from left to right where the C&NW
trackage had been.
The Cochrane depot view clearly shows where the North
end door had been. Have to take back what I said about
Nelson. Didn't remember that door being so close to the
windows. Might just be a mirror image plan. Building
at right was the coal shed, of course. In the oil heat
days that I was there it was used to store salt for
grade crossing ice melting. IIRC it was just lifted
off it's foundation but I do not know where it went.
I have the "Cochrane" sign off the other end of the
depot. Train order board was scrapped by the Signal
Department. Mail crane which had been East of the
crossing was under the depot. It is at the Pepin
Museum now. Right up to the Early 80's the oversize
tie it had been mounted on was still in place. That
would be on the Westward track. Don't think anyone
would want to pull that one out.
Russ
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From: Greg Smith
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 03 March, 2004 23:02
Subject: [CBQ] some more photos
Hello,
I just added a few more shots including some taken by my friend Jim
Wetzler while doing some flying. The air shots date around 1980. I
was part of an HO club here in the Twin Cities area that loosely
modeled the Q between Trevino and LaCrosse. Much of the research
material and photos have been stored at another of the clubmembers
place, and he recently turned it over to me.
Greg Smith / Apple Valley MN
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:41:57 -0000
From: "Greg Smith" <magichammer2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: some more photos
Hello,
I thought of that after I posted the photos, but on my slooow 56k, it
seemed like a lot of time to make the corrections. I figured you guys
would know they were titled backwards anyways. I know there are some
more photos from this collection from the cab including one going
through the coal chute at Bay City or Hager City...wherever it was.
I'll certainly post them when I find them. Not sure about any more
ariel photos. I'll get in touch with Jim who lives in Fairmont MN and
see.
BTW, I love all your comments about all the things in the photos.
Keep them coming.
Greg Smith / Apple Valley MN
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:14:58 -0600
From: "Russell Strodtz" <vlbg@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Re: some more photos
Greg,
If memory serves me right the coal chute was at
Stockholm.
BTW, your photo of Alma was interesting because it
showed me land that is not there anymore. Just about
everything on the river side is gone. The foundations
of the water tanks are holding on to a small area of
soil, otherwise it's just about all rip-rap down to
the end of the lock.
Why? Barges. Dam #4, (Alma) is the widest on the upper
Mississippi. The lock is tucked in right along the
Railroad. If you can picture the Railroad as straight
North-South the channel comes in from the Northwest
aiming down fairly straight from Wabasha. In the Spring
with a good healthy flow all the gates will be open.
The big movement of water on the West side of the main
channel is not much of a problem but the middle and
East side come straight down and get diverted by the
East bank and then has to turn towards the middle to
get to the gates. No water is normally flowing through
the lock. If the flow is so high that they use the lock
to move water then the river is not navigable.
A barge coming downstream has to run so the head of the
tow is almost to the East bank and then turn straight
to match the lock opening. At that point the current
force is from the bank towards the gates. As you can
imagine this takes skill and luck and they don't always
make it. If the current pulls the head of the tow beyond
the lock entrance towards the gates the towboat's rear
end will be up against the bank. With their diesel-
electric drive and steerable propellers they can usually
get out of that position but it take hours and eats away
a lot of bank.
After Cochrane was closed Alma was my new headquarters.
One Spring morning a tow had overshot and the towboat
was against one of the water tank foundations A cup of
coffee on the desk looked like it was in an ultrasound
with the little peaks all over the surface. Think I
probably lost a couple fillings that day. I should have
just gone home but I made the mistake of telling the
Dispatcher and then we ended up with the Roadmaster out
there and the debate about taking the Eastward track out
of service. Once that started I would have been needed
and I ended up staying for a full eight hours. Dummy!
The next day they dumped rip-rap and that was more than
eight hours. Double dummy!
BTW, depot at Alma was destroyed in a derailment before
I moved to that area.
Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Smith
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 04 March, 2004 08:41
Subject: [CBQ] Re: some more photos
Hello,
I thought of that after I posted the photos, but on my slooow 56k, it
seemed like a lot of time to make the corrections. I figured you guys
would know they were titled backwards anyways. I know there are some
more photos from this collection from the cab including one going
through the coal chute at Bay City or Hager City...wherever it was.
I'll certainly post them when I find them. Not sure about any more
ariel photos. I'll get in touch with Jim who lives in Fairmont MN and
see.
BTW, I love all your comments about all the things in the photos.
Keep them coming.
Greg Smith / Apple Valley MN
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