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Subject: CB&Q Freight Train Info Needed
From: Paul/Celine Kossart <kozys@t...>
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:56:54 -0500
Hello all,

In attempting to research the traffic movements of the 'Q in late 1969, it seems I am generating more questions than answers at times. The following questions regards freight train makeup in that time period. PLEASE NOTE - The train numbers referred to are those assigned during the system wide re-numbering of October, 1968, and my information comes from the Society's book of "Operating Data Sheets" which came out a couple years back.

In general, I have learned that some individual east bound trains (I'm referencing freight trains here) became combined into a single train at some point on their journey towards Chicago. Conversely, I have also discovered that some single, but combined trains heading westbound (I'm thinking passenger here, now) get split up at say, Galesburg, into their individual and separate trains - I suppose one example would be the combined Nebraska/KC Zephyrs.

Keeping that in mind, my question at this time specifically refers to FREIGHT trains heading west. Please feel free to correct me here as accuracy is what I am after.

The data sheets show Train #163 (aka the "Advance CD") leaving Chicago at 6 am and arriving Galesburg at 9:05 am. AND Train #165 (aka the "Advance CGI") leaving Chicago at 6 am and arriving Galesburg at 9:05 am. The point being, the departure and arrival times for each train are exactly the same!

Similarly, the data sheets show Train #63 (aka the "CD") leaving Chicago at 10:30 am and arriving Galesburg at 1:35 pm. AND Train #65 (aka the "CGI") leaving Chicago and arriving Galesburg, again at the same times!

So here is my question (actually two 8^D) :

Were Train #163 (aka the "Advance CD") and Train #165 (aka the "Advance CGI") COMBINED into ONE TRAIN leaving Chicago, and then split into the two individual trains at Galesburg or somewhere west of there?

AND

Were Train #63 (aka the "CD") and Train #65 (aka the "CGI") COMBINED into ONE TRAIN leaving Chicago, and then split into the two individual trains at Galesburg or somewhere west of there?

Thanks AGAIN for any and all replies.

Paul Kossart - Peru, Illinois, USA
Modeling the CB&Q & fictional Illiniwek River Valley area in the 1960's.
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