Accurail also produced the 17786.
Lenny
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Subject: [BRHSlist] Digest Number 802
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> There are 7 messages in this issue.
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> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Re: CB&Q Gold Cars
> From: Michael <jerstauf@e...>
> 2. Re: CB&Q Gold Cars
> From: arnold299@a...
> 3. Re: CB&Q Gold Cars
> From: Ken martin <kmartin@c...>
> 4. Re: CB&Q Gold Cars
> From: "Herbert J McCurdy" <zephyr@a...>
> 5. Re: CB&Q Gold Cars
> From: dhelec@a...
> 6. Question for Charlie Vlk
> From: Bill@s...
> 7. East End Speed Limits
> From: Ed DeRouin <PIXELS@A...>
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:23:18 -0600
> From: Michael <jerstauf@e...>
> Subject: Re: CB&Q Gold Cars
>
> Larry and group.
>
> I think Athearn only did one three pack special od the gold box cars. I
> have one set and the numbers are 17302, 17786, 61417. If there was
> another set I would like to know too. The set came with a sheet telling
> about the history involved in the repainting of these cars. Hope this
> helps a little.
>
> Jerry
>
> Larry Doub wrote:
> >
> > Hay everyone,
> > Back in the 60's when the Q got there frieght Award, there was six
> > boxcars done in gold.
> > What were the numbers of these cars?
> > Are the Athearn models in just three numbers or did they do six?
> >
> > Larry
> >
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 11:31:26 EST
> From: arnold299@a...
> Subject: Re: CB&Q Gold Cars
>
> One of the old Havelock shop boys told me once that they painted 10 box
cars
> gold for that celebration. I believe if I remember correctly, all were
> painted in one day.
>
> Scott Arnold
> Lincoln NE
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 11:23:54 -0700
> From: Ken martin <kmartin@c...>
> Subject: Re: CB&Q Gold Cars
>
> Larry Doub wrote:
> >
> > Hay everyone,
> > Back in the 60's when the Q got there frieght Award, there was six
> > boxcars done in gold.
> > What were the numbers of these cars?
> > Are the Athearn models in just three numbers or did they do six?
> >
> > Larry
> >
>
> According to Bulletin #7 on XM-32 boxcars there were eight cars painted
gold
> which was one days production. The numbers that they knew of at the time
were
> 17302, 17786, 60682, 61417. I don't know if any others have been
identified.
>
> Years ago MDC also did three cars painted in gold.
>
> Ken Martin
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 12:28:53 -0600
> From: "Herbert J McCurdy" <zephyr@a...>
> Subject: Re: CB&Q Gold Cars
>
> From Bulletin #7 XM-32 Steel Boxcars, page 18
>
> On the night of Nov. 17, 1966, at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New
York
> City, Burlington received the Railway Progress Institute's annual Gold
> Freight Car award for the most effective promotion of railroad freight
> traffic in America. To commemorate the award, Havelock, which was in the
> midst of an XM-32 overhaul program, painted one December day's
production -
> eight boxcars - solid gold with black lettering, including "R.I.P. Award
> Winner - 1966" below the full color herald. Photos of four of the cars
> appear in Bulletin # 7, #'s 17302, 17786, 60682 and 61417. According to
the
> Bulletin the other four #'s were unknown at that time and was soliciting
> photos or at least the car #'s of the other four. Maybe someone can help,
> if the request still stands?
>
> Herb
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Doub" <nftrains@n...>
> To: <BRHSlist@egroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 1:56 AM
> Subject: [BRHSlist] CB&Q Gold Cars
>
>
> > Hay everyone,
> > Back in the 60's when the Q got there frieght Award, there was six
> > boxcars done in gold.
> > What were the numbers of these cars?
> > Are the Athearn models in just three numbers or did they do six?
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:29:31 EST
> From: dhelec@a...
> Subject: Re: CB&Q Gold Cars
>
> According to the "Red Book" (Mike Spoor's Color Guide to CB&Q etc.) There
> were eight cars with gold paint (look on page 47) he shows only one number
> 61417.
>
> Athearn ran the series twice. Once with the award misspelled (It says
awaed
> rather than award) and then with the proper spelling.
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:19:09 -0000
> From: Bill@s...
> Subject: Question for Charlie Vlk
>
> Mr. Vlk,
>
> Since you have already done the research, would you mind helping me
> here? Using mostly Kato cars, and perhaps a few of Con-Cor's (like
> the CZ tailcar) could you/would you suggest some Q passenger train
> consists using these models? My location is Galesburg circa 1960s. Can
> you suggest some consists for the CZ, KCZ, DZ, and others which may
> apply that I can approximate using these cars? This is a large
> request, I know, but I figure you've already done the research and are
> familiar with such things.
>
> Thank you sir!!!!!
>
> Bill Selleck
>
> http://billsgburgjrnl.stimpsoft.com
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>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:25:49 -0600
> From: Ed DeRouin <PIXELS@A...>
> Subject: East End Speed Limits
>
> Listers:
>
> I pulled three timetable from the drawer to explore this subject. All I am
> describing is limits set forth in the Special Instruction, not actual
> practices. As I mentioned in previous posts, and Karl has supported with
> first person testimony, the reality did not always match the letter.
>
> From Chicago & Aurora Div. TT # 95 dated 9-25-38:
>
> Chicago and Aurora Subdivision
> Maximum Speed Passenger, Mail & Express Trains 65
> " " Freight Trains 50
> " " " " with O-5 eng. 55
>
> These limits do not apply to Zephyrs. Read on.
>
> SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS GOVERNING THE MAXIMUM SPEEDS OF ZEPHYR TYPE MOTOR
> TRAINS.
>
> Distinctive road way signals have been adopted to indicate maximum speeds
of
> Zephyr type motor train.
>
> A triangle type signal with reflex letter Z theron indicates zone
territory
> where the maximum speed is indicated by the numerals theron, and will
govern
> until the next zone is reached.
>
> Where speed restrictions are required on curves within a zone, a banjo
type
> signal with reflex letter C an numerals thereon will indicate maximum
> permissible speed for that particular curve, after which zone speed may be
> resumed.
>
> The triangle and banjo type signals will be located approximately 4000
feet
> from the point of curve, or point where zone speed changes, unless
otherwise
> specified.
>
> My note: These were the cast concrete posts located along the ROW.
>
> More TT quotes:
>
> Speed restrictions for Zephyr type motor trains are as follows:
>
> BETWEEN CHICAGO AND AURORA
>
> Westward Condition M.P. Eastward
> 30 Zone 0.85 ....
> 30 Curve 1.18 30
> 30 Curve 1.38 30
> 60 Zone 1.50 30
> 90 Zone 4.00 60
> 70 Zone 36.00 90
>
> Track 3 was limited to 70 mph.
>
> My notes : Read the westward column down and the eastward column up. 90
mph
> through the middle of old Hawthorne Yard must have been a trip!
>
> Lets look at TT 23 dated June 15, 1947. This was only months after the
> Naperville accident, too soon for any change.
>
> Passenger trains are graded A B or C.
>
> A. Trains 1,10, 21, 22, 23, 24, 44, 49 consisting of all lightweight cars
> hauled by diesel. My note: 1 &10 Denver Z., 21 + Twin City Z., 44 & 49
> Empire builder
>
> B. Trains handled by diesel having one or more standard cars, or handled
by
> O-5-A, S-4 or S-4-A engines.
> Note 1: Class A trains handled by automatic brake rather than electric
> straight air.
> Note 2: Class A trains handled by S-1-A or
> S-2-A engines.
>
> C. All other passenger trains including solid express trains including
> equipment authorized for handling in passenger trains.
>
> The A trains were limited to 90, B to 80, and C to 75 on the high speed
> segments between Chicago and Aurora. Track 3 was still a 70 mph track.
>
> I should point out that the maximum authorized between Aurora and
Galesburg
> at this time and in 1938 was 90 mph.
>
> It is now, 1953 and the ICC has imposed new signal and speed rules. From
TT
> 37 dated 2-1-53, the inugural date of the KCZ, ARZ and AZBZ's.
>
> Class A and B trains are limited to 75 mph on the fast segments of the
> Chicago - Aurora Subdivision. Class C trains to 70. On track three, A&B
> trains are limited to 70 and C to 60 mph.
>
> I hope this is helpful.
>
> Ed DeRouin
>
>
>
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