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Rupert:
Here's two more of the early ones with black background and white lettering. The location in Colorado is not shown, but the background tells me it's at Wray, presumably around 1900.
Merry Christmas to you and yours! We're actually supposed to get snow here on Christmas eve, which is rather unusual, to most people's surprise.
Enjoyed your kiwi Christmas greeting, as did Penny and granddaughter Everly.
Hol
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Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 12:00 AM
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Subject: [CBQ] CB&Q Palace Livestock Cars
Hol
ORER’s listed as “Palace” stock cars 15515-16771 (1890-1900), 60000-60159 (SM-4, 1900-1906) 65000-65849 (SM-4, 1905-1906 ex subsidiaries) None were shown from 1907. Based on photos, SM-6 and SM-7 cars also originally had the “Palace sign boards.
The sign boards on the early cars, prior to the SM-4’s built in 1896, had dark backgrounds and white/yellow lettering while the later cars used the light yellow board and dark lettering. The photo of 60062 shows the words painted out.
The Palace cars were not the only CB&Q using special yellow panels. The 1887 ORER shows that air brake stock cars and fruit cars used black lettering on a yellow background on the doors to show the presence of these brakes.
Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ
If I had paid attention to what I wrote in BB25 I would have answered my own question. In that BB I stated that the Palace cars were known as yellow board cars because the background for the
black PALACE STOCK lettering was yellow.
The term palace stock cars was being used long before cars of this design were built, with feeding (and sometimes watering) facilities inside. A note in the August 15, 1888, issue of Denver's
Rocky Mountain News said, "A train load of twenty cattle cars went East over the Burlington last night in the new cattle palace cars of that road. The cattle will be unloaded in Chicago within forty-eight hours after shipment."
Hol
I’ve no real idea on this except a lasting impression that they were cream/yellow as opposed to white. However, in the photo of 62508, they appear to be about the same colour as the road numbers and the letters on the Burlington Route herald. The background
on the car to the left also looks about the same colour as the herald letters, which we know were originally white.
I’ll have a look and get back to you.
Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ
Were the boards behind the PALACE STOCK lettering painted white or yellow? Almost looks like one of each in the photo. The C&S referred to its similar cars as "yellow board" stock cars.
This stock car was built in 1902 by AC&F (class SM-7 62000-62999), and they were all off the roster by 1928. I have a copy of a December 1914 instruction, provided by Archie
Hayden, from the Superintendent of Motive Power, Lines East, to Master Mechanics and Shop Superintendents, to continue painting out “Palace Stock” on stock cars as “Some exceptions have been taken to this stenciling…….. “, possibly from Pullman.
Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ
CB&Q Palace Livestock Car 62508
A cropped photo from the History Nebraska website.
Taken at Lincoln, Nebraska, circa 1909.
Not unexpectedly, I didn’t find this car on my 1945 Equipment Register so it was gone by that year.
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CB&Q Palace Stock Car 16121, Loading in Colo., c. 1900, PPLD coll..jpg
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CB&Q Palace Stock Car 16423, Loading in Colo., c. 1900, PPLD coll..jpg
Description: CB&Q Palace Stock Car 16423, Loading in Colo., c. 1900, PPLD coll..jpg
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