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Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:50:16 -0500
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Pete,

You saved me from typing basically the exact same words.

While I sure didn't like working nights I could usually stay awake. But call me to work in the evening,through the night
And when that rising sun hit my eyes in the morning it was just about impossible to stay awake. I tried
Coffee,cold water splashed on my face and neck, leaving the window open,getting up and walking
Around,etc,etc. nothing lasted very long before the eyes got very heavy again.

The one trick one old Condr. Used was to light a cigar and the smoke apparently kept him awake.

In the Good "old days" every loco cab had the dead man override tool in one form or another and many engineers carried one in their grips. 

Apparently crews today have figured out how to override the newest devices of alerters,etc
Meant to keep the human engaged also.

Leo

On Jul 15, 2016, at 11:52 AM, Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

As someone who "railroaded" for a few years.(I don't consider myself a "professional"..but I do have a bit...maybe just a little bit...of common sense as I would credit most of us who didn't need a Government investigation report to tell us what happened.


If I were a betting man I would bet that the C&E of the eastbound were both asleep...This is the same set of circumstances and later determination of the cause of the rear ender westt of Red Oak IA a couple of years ago as well as the other "head ender" at Guyman OK on the UP..former Rock Island recently.

Although the time of day is a bit later, those of us who worked in railroad train service at irregular hours know that the early morning is the most difficult time to stay awake after an "all nighter" and some previous odd hour tricks.  That bright sun in your face after you have been up all night and maybe had something to eat not long before can bring the "sandman" to your brain, eyes and body with a vengeance.  
 
I found myself nearly falling of the brakeman's "stool" in a Q F unit more than once under the same time and circumstances...

Pete

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From: LZadnichek@aol.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Fri, Jul 15, 2016 11:23 am
Subject: [CBQ] BNSF Head-On Collision

 
July 15, 2016
 
All - For the professional railroaders in this Group who were wondering what caused the recent BNSF head-on collision in Texas:
 
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Rail News: BNSF Railway
NTSB: BNSF trains collided after one train missed a red light


Two BNSF Railway Co. trains collided head-on in Panhandle, Texas, last month after one of the trains missed a stop signal, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) announced yesterday in a preliminary report.

Three crew members died when the eastbound and westbound trains collided at 8:21 a.m. June 28 in BNSF's Panhandle Subdivision. The collision caused the derailment of the locomotives and several cars from both trains, and resulted in a significant fire.

Train movements in the area are governed by signal indications of a traffic control system. Positive train control (PTC) was not operating in the area at the time of the accident, but is scheduled to be implemented by BNSF by the end of this year, the report stated.

Each train was crewed by a locomotive engineer and a conductor. The eastbound train consisted of three head-end locomotives, two distributive power units and 56 loaded cars. The westbound train consisted of five head-end locomotives and 54 loaded cars.

The signal system was lined to route the westbound train into the Panhandle control point siding at milepost 536.1, while holding the eastbound train on the main track before the east end of the siding. The collision occurred about one-half mile east of the east switch of the Panhandle siding, according to the report.

A preliminary review of signal event recorder data and tests of the signal system indicated that the last signal the eastbound train passed before the collision was a red stop signal. The previous signal the eastbound train passed was a yellow signal.

The locomotive event recorder data revealed that the eastbound train was traveling 62 mph when it passed the yellow light at the west end of the Panhandle siding and about 65 mph when it passed the red light at the siding's east end.

The engineer and conductor on the eastbound train and the conductor on the westbound train were killed. The engineer of the westbound train jumped from the train before the impact and survived with injuries.

BNSF estimated damages of $16 million.

Investigators completed sight distance tests of the signal systems for both trains into the collision point and the results are being analyzed, the NTSB said. Event and video recorders have been sent to the NTSB labs in Washington, D.C., for further investigation. 
 
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Best Regards - Louis
 
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL



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