Return-Path: Delivered-To: unknown Received: from mailhost.usrp-ltd.com (10.45.0.93:110) by pegasus.nauer.org with POP3; 14 Jan 2022 02:55:02 -0000 Delivered-To: archives@nauer.org Received: (qmail 31587 invoked by uid 168); 13 Jan 2022 20:39:44 -0600 X-Qmail-Scanner-Diagnostics: from web01.groups.io by mailhost (envelope-from , uid 89) with qmail-scanner-2.10st (clamdscan: 0.99.2/26096. mhr: 1.0. spamassassin: 3.3.2. perlscan: 2.10st. Clear:RC:0(66.175.222.12):SA:0(-3.6/5.0):. Processed in 3.85562 secs); 14 Jan 2022 02:39:44 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.6 required=5.0 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: bounce+11863+62993+703214+1544929@groups.io via mailhost X-Qmail-Scanner: 2.10st (Clear:RC:0(66.175.222.12):SA:0(-3.6/5.0):. Processed in 3.85562 secs Process 31550) Received: from web01.groups.io (66.175.222.12) by mailhost.usrp-ltd.com with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP; 13 Jan 2022 20:39:40 -0600 Received-SPF: pass (mailhost.usrp-ltd.com: SPF record at groups.io designates 66.175.222.12 as permitted sender) X-Received: by 127.0.0.2 with SMTP id Sd7XYY704549xxaA9zRoxnR; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 18:33:43 -0800 X-Received: from NAM11-BN8-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (NAM11-BN8-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.20.87]) by mx.groups.io with SMTP id smtpd.web08.2246.1642127621351965773 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 18:33:41 -0800 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=YlZkzg39NlnM9nyfUaAiqSsvSuwyncOHOaJurCypqgyeTEx8Er9z2CxCgfAHz2TcxXhzLblF5oUn9bWHptgnoS/9FNMs2ogFY0pTE7e/4Ssq/i+z10OXUaNmvwwpNMM7qVAluy7+pzP1wtKGngzFjQ9CwirTNpiEr+2jPHqNZLuey2Mf/eG6pP4O6JtG+ul5bbTd2eA+KGVJb7wrGAAVb31HSOLzJro2v9/KffA8T/JX1Y41zrdQ1B+Jc9Kwy7v5eIvu0L2QM9MAmbcTcdnhkK5mGjgtWeFPXnYFTe3iH3dzcJb4J9Ohrj4+Y+NVXZzCymZL7Uig50fLDaCvDrCHNw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1; bh=LnvJcCa1pUYkWE8hhWWWc1P7h89ucKBrMddu0AGWRt8=; b=ApFiMjvlIgdsGeTXFNrwLde4LA/g/JrpRTR0rL1ZydiSk6WsteeItRpgOIEtcCCnkle5U/w8WYG0QEDxAsCROzMgqMP5ZoinhS8B9epnMHbqwN5oTHyxDG7sFJtFPjUovpyBWoLRTScupaz0CCvMOlRzVI9YlsRw9SvXfTdBf/2MBxySfcRcD1sWZs6h+U5Z/tJdrJ94TIqHKUe6aACEWBgH6zRwx58DKdDA4EhvXCUd6RBpeGKXI5gjJIiRkmUzwhqo00NlfojdDmhYktVaRMIbKlwj0TSedoZz1U66GNODC5x4+jDgAO/dXeFZWnAAsQLd/OfFnoOnFJlntobRYA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=none; dmarc=none; dkim=none; arc=none X-Received: from MW3PR13MB4090.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:303:5f::7) by CO6PR13MB5308.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:303:14b::7) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.4909.2; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 02:33:39 +0000 X-Received: from MW3PR13MB4090.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::1488:7661:a506:e2c3]) by MW3PR13MB4090.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::1488:7661:a506:e2c3%8]) with mapi id 15.20.4909.002; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 02:33:39 +0000 From: "zephyr98072" To: "CBQ@groups.io" Subject: Re: [CBQ] Aluminum paint on DA-6 diners Thread-Topic: Aluminum paint on DA-6 diners Thread-Index: AQHYCO8jMRnsc7H3EU6uOywGwRZjfA== Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 02:33:39 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: suggested_attachment_session_id: e2bbdb4a-07dd-6768-cce5-51eaf455fc66 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [Nq/7OUsC/e/XEkNDQsq195JurhcMs1B+w3b6Q/fpIqtVU5EwhoKRhOOxD3C1QBcFKKmvKyE/iag=] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 40bf37af-68a0-4b6c-1d89-08d9d706462e x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: CO6PR13MB5308:EE_ x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 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 x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-chunkcount: 1 x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-0: =?Windows-1252?Q?n8A85HgP8rZgpoYGfkaKKKgHSS+ebdFbGFAeYbTxb/QJXzbtjwSoLx56?= =?Windows-1252?Q?am/MVdPO4nkFFo74SPGwXE5440KQuUlwFmlTC/3c2PvMaHV5uVXieKgn?= =?Windows-1252?Q?6hesZGnF2sANXhTWK53C69bKJTXgXas5cJmcMgwbknNT9BVWbgFIBRI1?= =?Windows-1252?Q?Nw8ZrL9yZuxxldkXPuvehyWjKbse9ZFTpYoKe2u4zAb3LopOVFelpfz9?= =?Windows-1252?Q?kJ/X2OMuBCawjNBtnsJ6oh7+R/GuU+JYXLvtQrQp3hYaybrL50gybk/4?= =?Windows-1252?Q?w8jr2fkVzqoCcIeqPmsqem1ok3V8VT1VguL938Z/Gbu5d3xFUl5eUeWV?= =?Windows-1252?Q?5n9OiBbB+zA+TFiU1SDoH9BC4DU6JfOLySdL759pT5R/I0rrjowuwBYh?= =?Windows-1252?Q?+2pJIsPbjW9anvnb7GfnLf/iprhnCbXsxNXYXWUwMxXKadtRflclplKu?= =?Windows-1252?Q?FpQGj1pIC/Q9YpYwvVp7ZXD9NX4N0URCZw6kbffoShNURqLtyKbxd1n0?= =?Windows-1252?Q?cVDnXZz4oUV0tqFNawbapWesxm6O5wW+7be+7scRpgE7XgYmYDbXeTTW?= =?Windows-1252?Q?IFoFSU8KoT4yjpu7glBMZNVIcA730qv9et9+u+jQWvYDUy7IVmElt4kh?= =?Windows-1252?Q?ygm5PGal3COSXwhqhQbtchbYaDKCiV3ZuiPs3t4bVv6CtftpUDscZL46?= =?Windows-1252?Q?8OtX7MaHERVjbg2rceccDFpi3DX4dW4yT9iUO2sWzrMl6h1BTorTo65+?= =?Windows-1252?Q?etxY43iXKKdRKq+3UoJ3wkXGBa4WJx8L/UCme2AlYaAosrKLJOIFfNgy?= =?Windows-1252?Q?iukiUVyU1+1Jjs4DkHsq68CzAPkzxmkTuI85uc0aYi0kZxngI4KbD0MC?= =?Windows-1252?Q?WAaoHfwtLd29BTuLTps7dlihY4FQ+1FL32wqq7aHLG4X03V7DH8KFnvB?= =?Windows-1252?Q?YeU3Gi0xtlztPw5XjfoRCpDrgEhUd3lNvCM5XHrCC552r4o67Ozq6UZU?= =?Windows-1252?Q?DGLD5sFp+l16BJD4UjB+zM3yCp/xsnrVJXzYf0ItiqR7Zf7dEvku2H76?= =?Windows-1252?Q?5iMBqBq9TH+EeqlFXu1rowBiYpPCuyyVaAhkbw=3D=3D?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sct-15-20-4778-2-msonline-outlook-da780.templateTenant X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: MW3PR13MB4090.namprd13.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 40bf37af-68a0-4b6c-1d89-08d9d706462e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 14 Jan 2022 02:33:39.5833 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-rms-persistedconsumerorg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CO6PR13MB5308 Precedence: Bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Help: Sender: CBQ@groups.io List-Id: Mailing-List: list CBQ@groups.io; contact CBQ+owner@groups.io Delivered-To: mailing list CBQ@groups.io Reply-To: CBQ@groups.io X-Gm-Message-State: ICYSwOrTryMLzqcd8FmThybtx703214AA= Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_MW3PR13MB40904C2FE33A8F1E51985101BB549MW3PR13MB4090namp_" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=groups.io; q=dns/txt; s=20140610; t=1642127623; bh=U3RxTJlnszmIwEMwEPzS+yq6G5cqSfcjfC1NkFk3WzQ=; h=Content-Type:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To; b=bNFGiwoV+kNqck27ZDrxVQJmbJ3ZDFu3BuPANiAkkwnLn3UGxBnPqetpCaqw94+yP67 FA2wZl6uj4rrSGwCmqOctwZQGi1jTGxkP70u1tqriGgvLfIw5aR14qofw7nBpXGcAs49c 8Eyo7c3Zkxyr2SIbjOStWCYA/rcBBoTAvPM= --_000_MW3PR13MB40904C2FE33A8F1E51985101BB549MW3PR13MB4090namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rupert's list indicates that DA-6 diners 183, 184 and 187 received aluminum= paint. I have read other correspondence, however, indicating that none of= the DA-6's were painted aluminum. I have a DA-6 that I would like to fini= sh in aluminum, but I want to be correct. Glen Haug ________________________________ From: CBQ@groups.io on behalf of Rupert Gamlen Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 4:55 PM To: CBQ@groups.io Subject: [CBQ] SSS and aluminum paint I=91ve attached an accumulated list of SSS and aluminum painted equipment i= dentified in e-mails, etc. over the years. Any additions? Rupert Gamlen Auckland NZ From: CBQ@groups.io On Behalf Of Dennis Popish via groups.i= o Sent: Friday, 14 January 2022 12:43 pm To: cvlk@comcast.net; CBQ@groups.io Subject: Re: [CBQ] Any idea why the name os this Pullman was? Burlington Bulletin Number 10 on the SSS chair cars has a comprehensive exp= lanation on page 8 of which CB&Q cars received shadow lining. The article i= s authored by Bill Schultz and edited by Hol Wagner, noted CB&Q passenger c= ar authorities. The article states only four Pullman sleepers utilized by the Burlington re= ceived silver paint and shadow lining. These included the #659 Clover Veldt= 8-5, the #670 Poplar Flat 6-6 and the #676 and #677 Happy Hollow Club and = Lancaster Club 1-2-2-2's. These were painted in this scheme to serve as pro= tection or substitute cars for Denver Zephyr service. Photos of these cars= appear in William Glick's "Burlington Passenger Car Photo Album", although= later in their lifespan so the shadow lining is barely discernible in some= photos. None of the Pullman Betterment cars that ran in the 1940's on the Zephyr Ro= cket and the Exposition Flyer (Zephyr Tower, Rocket Tower, Missouri Tower, = Denver Tower, Minneapolis or Cedar Rapids) received the shadow lining but r= ather only a straight silver paint scheme. As mentioned the six Texas Zephyr Betterment Pullmans received multi-colore= d silver areas below and above the windows but did not receive shadow linin= g. Hopefully this is of value in this issue. Dennis Popish -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Vlk > To: CBQ@groups.io Sent: Thu, Jan 13, 2022 1:36 pm Subject: Re: [CBQ] Any idea why the name os this Pullman was? I don=92t believe the Texas Zephyr betterment cars received the simulated c= orrugation treatment, only different shades of aluminum/silver paint to sim= ulate stainless steel. Zephyr Tower and Rocket Tower used on the Zephyr Rocket did get the full sc= heme. Offhand, I don=92t know about the Missouri Tower and Denver Tower. A number of other heavyweight Pullmans did get the scheme as well as some B= urlington Route owned cars. Charlie Vlk From: CBQ@groups.io > On Behalf Of Bill Belsher Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 11:30 PM To: CBQ groups.io >; CBQ@groups.io Subject: Re: [CBQ] Any idea why the name os this Pullman was? Not sure of the name but it appears to be one of the Texas Zephyr Heavyweig= ht Pullmans with the Faux stripes painted to mimic the Stainless Steel Flut= ing on the lightweight cars. Bill Belsher Modeling the Fort Worth & Denver in N Scale On Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 11:01:25 PM CST, BRIAN PAUL EHNI > wrote: Or any other info like type and plan? https://www.ebay.com/itm/294715673126?hash=3Ditem449e6c4a26:g:wvQAAOSw2OJh3= cAa Thanks! =97 Brian Ehni -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#62993): https://groups.io/g/CBQ/message/62993 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/88413019/703214 Group Owner: CBQ+owner@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/CBQ/leave/1544929/703214/691670059/xyzzy [= archives@nauer.org] -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- --_000_MW3PR13MB40904C2FE33A8F1E51985101BB549MW3PR13MB4090namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rupert's list indicates that DA-6 diners 183, 184 and 187 received aluminum= paint.  I have read other correspondence, however, indicating that no= ne of the DA-6's were painted aluminum.  I have a DA-6 that I would li= ke to finish in aluminum, but I want to be correct.

Glen Haug
From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ= @groups.io> on behalf of Rupert Gamlen <gamlenz@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 4:55 PM
To: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io>
Subject: [CBQ] SSS and aluminum paint
 

I=91ve attached an accumulated list of SSS and alu= minum painted equipment identified in e-mails, etc. over the years. Any add= itions?

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Popish via groups.io
Sent: Friday, 14 January 2022 12:43 pm
To: cvlk@comcast.net; CBQ@groups.io
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Any idea why the name os this Pullman was?=

 

Burlington Bulletin Number 10 on the = SSS chair cars has a comprehensive explanation on page 8 of which CB&Q = cars received shadow lining. The article is authored by Bill Schultz and edited by Hol Wagner, noted CB&Q passenger car aut= horities.

 

The article states only four Pullman = sleepers utilized by the Burlington received silver paint and shadow lining= . These included the #659 Clover Veldt 8-5, the #670 Poplar Flat 6-6 and the #676 and #677 Happy Hollow Club and Lancaster= Club 1-2-2-2's. These were painted in this scheme to serve as protection o= r substitute cars for Denver Zephyr service.  Photos of these cars app= ear in William Glick's "Burlington Passenger Car Photo Album", although later in their lifespan so the shadow lini= ng is barely discernible in some photos.

 

None of the Pullman Betterment cars t= hat ran in the 1940's on the Zephyr Rocket and the Exposition Flyer (Zephyr= Tower, Rocket Tower, Missouri Tower, Denver Tower, Minneapolis or Cedar Rapids) received the shadow lining but rather only a = straight silver paint scheme.

As mentioned the six Texas Zephyr Bet= terment Pullmans received multi-colored silver areas below and above the wi= ndows but did not receive shadow lining.

 

Hopefully this is of value in this is= sue.

 

Dennis= Popish  

-----O= riginal Message-----
From: Charlie Vlk <cvlk@comcast.net<= /a>>
To: CBQ@groups.io
Sent: Thu, Jan 13, 2022 1:36 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Any idea why the name os this Pullman was?

I don=92t believe the Texas Zephyr be= tterment cars received the simulated corrugation treatment, only different = shades of aluminum/silver paint to simulate stainless steel.

Zephyr Tower and Rocket Tower used on= the Zephyr Rocket did get the full scheme.  Offhand, I don=92t know a= bout the Missouri Tower and Denver Tower.

A number of other heavyweight Pullman= s did get the scheme as well as some Burlington Route owned cars.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Belsher
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 11:30 PM
To: CBQ groups.io <cbq@groups.io= >; CBQ@groups.io
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Any idea why the name os this Pullman was?=

 

Not sure of the name but it appe= ars to be one of the Texas Zephyr Heavyweight Pullmans with the Faux stripe= s painted to mimic the Stainless Steel Fluting on the lightweight cars.

 

Bill BelsherModeling the Fort Worth & De= nver in N Scale

 

On Wednesday, January 12, 2022= , 11:01:25 PM CST, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

Or any other info like type an= d plan?

 

 

 

Thanks!

=97=

Brian Ehni 

 

 

 

 

 

 

_._,_._,_
G= roups.io Links:

You receive all messages sent to this group.

View/Repl= y Online (#62993) | = Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic
Your Subscription | Contact Group Owner | Unsubscribe [archives@nauer.org]

_._,_._,_
=20 --_000_MW3PR13MB40904C2FE33A8F1E51985101BB549MW3PR13MB4090namp_--