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Message-Id: <3DDC0891-CB64-46E9-B2F3-4487637935AB@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 18:39:34 -0600 To: CBQ@groups.io References: <3DDC0891-CB64-46E9-B2F3-4487637935AB.ref@aol.com> Precedence: Bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Help: Sender: CBQ@groups.io List-Id: Mailing-List: list CBQ@groups.io; contact CBQ+owner@groups.io Delivered-To: mailing list CBQ@groups.io Reply-To: CBQ@groups.io X-Gm-Message-State: nglmCZHpWZ4xoJHo4J332MRZx703214AA= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-33781D3B-DC4D-48C5-AEB3-F2D60D7B87BE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 11713 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=groups.io; q=dns/txt; s=20140610; t=1642120783; bh=n1eMjpAiRR0n6c3VSh5slSb6k80eNh1mzcObpC3U4Mw=; h=Content-Type:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To; b=cJB+UScC38qVpAS27/uX8qWDU2fbR0Jk7Tg2FsOd22IpdAJ8W3XBYw1i5qpCAVK1KmD K531AUTUoyPywPMDeW7g1io+7QYqeLy6zg5W6m4aWWuKGVc+8iYrnMtSkMOc6T8/PXgv0 YR6aYacnYQiW0WxQPZSQtHQ3L9lhgt05/3M= --Apple-Mail-33781D3B-DC4D-48C5-AEB3-F2D60D7B87BE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF To Jim=E2=80=99s comments I would point out the reweigh info. Near the lt.w= t./capacity stenciling on these cars. They have been through a repair proje= ct(note the newer painted blocks) that the photo leads me to believe involv= ed removal of roof ladders and roof walks and these replacement doors. I wo= uld agree with Jim that since the cars were on relatively short life expect= ancies it was decided not to spend time and money painting the doors to mat= ch what by then were around 25 year old paint jobs. While box cars with doors of different colors than the car sides could be s= een in any era. Think a quick fix. It seemed to me as someone on the ground= that a lot of BN box cars were receiving new or used replacement doors and= none were being painted to match cars. It was routine to see box car red c= ars with green,red,blue etc doors. Just as it an everyday occurrence to see= BN green box cars with doors of just about any color in the rainbow. It se= emed only when a box car went through shop including it a repaint did it co= me out with uniform color Leo Phillipp > On Jan 13, 2022, at 6:15 PM, James Sandrin wrot= e: > =EF=BB=BF > The 23000-23099 series, class XML1 & !A, were built in 1955 at Havelock w= ith DF loaders, Waugh cushion underframes and Armco nailable steel flooring= ; Cadillacs for special loading in their day. By the time those photos wer= e taken, that day was long past and they were running out their final miles= in general service. In the BN-era pictures, the yellow doors shown were r= eplacements, or had been repaired, and given yellow primer rather than the = original mineral red colour. The best explanation for this is that the var= ious car shops were not going to waste time or money matching paint on cars= running their last few miles. Unlike say, the Union Pacific which had a v= ariety of different door colours or symbols based on special purposes for t= he various classes of boxcars, the Hill lines did not generally decorate ho= use cars with special symbols or colours, other than notations for various = loading devices or cushion underframes.=20 >=20 > You can still paint a model with faded yellow doors of course, it just ha= s no special meaning in the BN era when those prototypes were painted. Jim= Sandriin >=20 > Virus-free. www.avg.com >=20 > On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 14:04, Jim Younger via groups.io wrote: >> All the pics show DF boxcars (damage free). Yellow door an identifier? >>=20 >> Jim Younger >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Jan 13, 2022, at 3:51 PM, Rupert Gamlen wrote: >>> =EF=BB=BF >>> Tad >>>=20 >>> Are these yellow or gold? Left over from the 1966 RPI Golden Freight Ca= r Award? Is it coincidence that all three examples were XML-1=E2=80=99s? >>>=20 >>> Rupert Gamlen >>> Auckland NZ >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> From: CBQ@groups.io On Behalf Of Tad Blacketer >>> Sent: Friday, 14 January 2022 8:36 am >>> To: CBQ@groups.io >>> Subject: [CBQ] Yellow Doors? >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> Quick question, I see pictures of red boxcars with yellow doors. Did t= his symbolize something or was it just scavenged from the junkyard? If the= yellow meant something, were there other color-coded doors? I have attach= ed some photos I found online as a reference. =20 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> --- TCB >>>=20 >=20 >=20 -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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To Jim=E2=80=99s comments I would point out the reweigh in= fo. Near the lt.wt./capacity stenciling on these cars. They have been throu= gh a repair project(note the newer painted blocks) that the photo leads me = to believe involved removal of roof ladders and roof walks and these replac= ement doors. I would agree with Jim that since the cars were on relatively = short life expectancies it was decided not to spend time and money painting= the doors to match what by then were around 25 year old paint jobs.
<= div dir=3D"ltr">While box cars with doors of different colors than the car = sides could be seen in any era. Think a quick fix. It seemed to me as someo= ne on the ground that a lot of BN box cars were receiving new or used repla= cement doors and none were being painted to match cars. It was routine to s= ee box car red cars with green,red,blue etc doors. Just as it an everyday o= ccurrence to see BN green box cars with doors of just about any color in th= e rainbow. It seemed only when a box car went through shop including it a r= epaint did it come out with uniform color

<= div dir=3D"ltr">Leo Phillipp

On Jan 13, 2022, at 6:15 PM, James Sandrin <sandmantrains@gmail.co= m> wrote:

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The 23000-23099 series, class XML1 &= !A, were built in 1955 at Havelock with DF loaders, Waugh cushion underfra= mes and Armco nailable steel flooring; Cadillacs for special loading in the= ir day.  By the time those photos were taken, that day was long past a= nd they were running out their final miles in general service.  In the= BN-era pictures, the yellow doors shown were replacements, or had been rep= aired, and given yellow primer rather than the original mineral red colour.=   The best explanation for this is that the various car shops wer= e not going to waste time or money matching paint on cars running their las= t few miles.  Unlike say, the Union Pacific which had a variety of dif= ferent door colours or symbols based on special purposes for the vario= us classes of boxcars, the Hill lines did not generally decorate house= cars with special symbols or colours, other than notations for variou= s loading devices or cushion underframes. 

You can = still paint a model with faded yellow doors of course, it just has no = special meaning in the BN era when those prototypes were painted.  Jim= Sandriin

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On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 14:04, Jim Younger via groups.io <frisco2011=3Dyahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
All the pics show DF = boxcars (damage free).  Yellow door an identifier?

= Jim Younger


On Jan 13, 2022, at 3:51 PM, Rupert Gamlen <gamlenz@hotmail.com> wrot= e:

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Tad

Are these yellow or gold? Left over from the 1966 RPI Golden Freight Car Aw= ard? Is it coincidence that all three examples were XML-1=E2=80=99s?

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

 

Quick question, I see pictures of red boxcars w= ith yellow doors.  Did this symbolize something or was it just sc= avenged from the junkyard?  If the yellow meant something, were there = other color-coded doors?  I have attached some photos I found online as a reference.  

 

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