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Many p= eople don=E2=80=99t wish to learn how to use Acrylic paints, so they contin= ue to advocate for something that handles like their beloved Floquil. Hence= the love of Tru Color. I personally prefer Model-Flex. I have used their D= ark Tuscan Oxide Red #13 for boxcars. =20 Doug Harding https://www.facebook.com/= douglas.harding.3156/ https://www.you= tube.com/channel/UCK8X8Yb8NEAZqbZjHT5z0sA =20 From: CBQ@groups.io On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 1:07 PM To: CBQ@groups.io Subject: Re: [CBQ] Pre Chinese Red Boxcar Color Using Acrylics =20 John- The Chinese Red cars use=E2=80=A6Chinese Red paint, not Mineral Brown. Tha= t is for the Script pre-Chinese Red Block Burlington lettered cars. Dave Lotz at Q Connection https://www.qconn= ection.biz/ offers Badger 16-153 CB&Q Chinese Red and other colors of inter= est to CB&Q modelers. Even if you don=E2=80=99t want to use that brand I would use it as a color = reference to establish the mixes or comparable paint in your preferred pain= t lines. Other than being a fellow BRHS member I have no commercial ties to that ent= erprise.. Charlie Vlk Ence=20 =20 From: CBQ@groups.io > On Behalf Of John Moenius via groups.io Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 10:12 AM To: CBQ@groups.io =20 Subject: [CBQ] Pre Chinese Red Boxcar Color Using Acrylics =20 I've started modeling a CB&Q branch line and am building some boxcars. The= CB&Q Historical website lists the appropriate color as Floquil ATSF Minera= l Brown. The MRH conversion chart lists the acrylic equivalent as either V= allejo Air 71.080 Rust or Modelflex 16.74 Illinois Central Brown.=20 I am a member of Prototype Modelers group.io and the preferred paint seems = to be Tru Color. However over the last two years I have had great luck wit= h Vallejo and Modelflex. Clean up is easier for starts. So, can someone c= onfirm the paints above are close, or other suggestions with Vallejo and Mo= delflex. As an aside, I started another conversation on group io about paint color l= ast year. Consensus seemed to form around worrying too much about getting = it exactly correct due to weathering, fading, and railroads at times were n= ot that particular on what paint they used. Thanks for responses. John Moenius Bluffton SC=20 -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#62987): https://groups.io/g/CBQ/message/62987 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/88400382/703214 Group Owner: CBQ+owner@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/CBQ/leave/1544929/703214/691670059/xyzzy [= archives@nauer.org] -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- ------=_NextPart_000_028A_01D8089D.9FFC9D50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Charlie note the subject line says =E2=80=9CPre Chinese =E2= =80=A6=E2=80=9D so the mineral brown color would be correct.

 

John Vallej= o or Model-Flex are fine paints and perfectly acceptable. Many people don= =E2=80=99t wish to learn how to use Acrylic paints, so they continue to adv= ocate for something that handles like their beloved Floquil. Hence the love= of Tru Color. I personally prefer Model-Flex. I have used their Dark Tusca= n Oxide Red #13 for boxcars.

 =

Doug Harding

https://www.facebook.com/douglas.harding.3156/

https://ww= w.youtube.com/channel/UCK8X8Yb8NEAZqbZjHT5z0sA

 

From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> On Behalf Of C= harlie Vlk
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 1:07 PM
To:= CBQ@groups.io
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Pre Chinese Red Boxcar Color Us= ing Acrylics

 

John-

The Chinese Red cars u= se=E2=80=A6Chinese Red paint, not Mineral Brown.  That is for the Scri= pt pre-Chinese Red Block Burlington lettered cars.

Dave Lotz at Q Connection https= ://www.qconnection.biz/ offers Badger 16-153 CB&Q Chinese Red and other= colors of interest to CB&Q modelers.

Ev= en if you don=E2=80=99t want to use that brand I would use it as a color re= ference to establish the mixes or comparable paint in your preferred paint = lines.

Other than being a fellow BRHS member= I have no commercial ties to that enterprise..

Charlie Vlk

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From:= CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Moenius vi= a groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 10:12 AM
To: CBQ@groups.io
Subject: [C= BQ] Pre Chinese Red Boxcar Color Using Acrylics

 

I've started modeli= ng a CB&Q branch line and am building some boxcars.  The CB&Q = Historical website lists the appropriate color as Floquil ATSF Mineral Brow= n.  The MRH conversion chart lists the acrylic equivalent as either Va= llejo Air 71.080 Rust or Modelflex 16.74 Illinois Central Brown. 
<= br>I am a member of Prototype Modelers group.io and the preferred paint see= ms to be Tru Color.  However over the last two years I have had great = luck with Vallejo and Modelflex.  Clean up is easier for starts. = So, can someone confirm the paints above are close, or other suggestions w= ith Vallejo and Modelflex.

As an aside, I started another conversati= on on group io about paint color last year.  Consensus seemed to form = around worrying too much about getting it exactly correct due to weathering= , fading, and railroads at times were not that particular on what paint the= y used.

Thanks for responses.

John Moenius
Bluffton SC

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