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contact CBQ+owner@groups.io Delivered-To: mailing list CBQ@groups.io Reply-To: CBQ@groups.io X-Gm-Message-State: TV0X4H5RNakNaGduc5LjL0UPx703214AA= Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_SYBP282MB2722706A5758335A3C9AD595B9949SYBP282MB2722AUSP_" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=groups.io; q=dns/txt; s=20140610; t=1636598812; bh=5NNnW/YMRDulZjl+aJcn8MAwPQGShBJk93PVdWHYn/0=; h=Content-Type:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To; b=xPcby7gko9Mb+7m30mbVWUYPm1cgjdfl2zGNikShsWH8gsMG7AliNTiLaUIOB8kyyP4 PfFmUE2rG7cc5v4JizzIiiEey3xTyyI3risoqDLi+QNaAzOCFtgkhKdYY0YwSxgtfR7ga ERF3k9fLYCBA0gXp+ONe8mtA/3n0V2Aa77I= --_000_SYBP282MB2722706A5758335A3C9AD595B9949SYBP282MB2722AUSP_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chuck According to Baldwin's Corporate History, the Northern Cross was renamed "T= he Quincy & Chicago Railroad" in February 1857 and this company went into r= eceivership in May 1857. In April 1864, the company was sold to the CB&Q. T= he clipping refers to "the Quincy branch of the Burlington system" so the c= lipping may be post-1864. The original trust deed for the Northern Cross, on which there was default = of interest payments resulting in receivership, was executed to J M Forbes = (CB&Q director), John Eliot Thayer (possibly related to Nathaniel Thayer, a= nother director) and F Von Hoffman (a land owner in Quincy). In April 1857,= just before the receivership, the CB&Q and the Quincy & Chicago entered an= agreement "whereby the two companies were united in a common operative man= agement, in order to form a line from Quincy to Chicago." This agreement re= mained in force until the CB&Q "bought" the Q&C in April 1864. As the Burl= ington owned the Q&C in all but name from 1857, the clipping could be any t= ime thereafter but I think it unlikely that the Quincy section of the line = would have been referred to as a branch of the Burlington before it lost it= s identity. Also, "way back in the 50's" suggests that the clipping (which = specifically refers to the event as occurring in 1858) was published well a= fter 1860. It would appear to be another example of where the Burlington financed anot= her railroad company and waited until it went into receivership before taki= ng it over completely. It also meant that the towns and individuals which h= ad sponsored the new company lost their money. Rupert Gamlen Auckland NZ From: CBQ@groups.io On Behalf Of chuck hatler Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2021 2:30 pm To: CBQ Subject: [CBQ] looking for some info i have a newspaper clip that i think it was in 1850, but i don't 1850. can anybody have any idea better? chuck hatler 0001 HIS VISION FULFILLED NEED DATE SOURCE [we are talking the 1850s, not the 1950s!] It was way back in the '50s, when railroading was much more primitive than = it is to-day, that a prescient event happened to Engineer Joe Van Netta, of= the Northern Cross, now the Quincy branch of the Burlington system. Trains= in those days were not designated by numbers, neither were the engines; co= nductors, engineers and brakemen were furnished time cards showing where "passenger train south= " would meet "passenger train north," which had the right of way and which = would take the "switch." Engines were named after animals, counties and tow= ns. Who that lived on the line of the "Q" in the '50s and is alive to-day i= s not familiar with the "Black Bear" and the "Polar Bear?" and on the North= ern Cross with the "Fulton," the "Knox," the "McDonough," the "Quincy," the= "Plymouth," "Augusta" and *'Macomb?" Who has forgotten the phlegmatic Cady= that pulled the throttle of the "Plymouth" and when the bridge over Crooked creek was washed away by= the heavy spring rains of '58 offered to jump the "d-d breach" if they wou= ld give him Colmar for a starting point. It was in the spring of '58 that a new train was scheduled to leave Galesbu= rg at 2:30 a. m. and. Arrived in Quincy at 5:50 a.m., stopping only at Abi= ngdon, Macomb and Augusta. It was a run of 100 miles, and 30 miles an hour = then seemed faster than 70 does to-day. The night in question was portentous of evil; the rain was pouring in torre= nts, and the inky blackness of the night only made the headlight shine with= greater brilliancy, the thunder was muffled at times, like the roar of an = angry animal, the lightning flashed at frequent intervals and were blinding= in effect. It was Van Netta's "run," and he left a call for. 1:45 and went to his room= about nine o'clock, thinking to get as much sleep as the few hours .would = allow. After tossing restless for some time he fell into a disturbed slumbe= r; how long he slept was uncertain; he woke with a start and feelings terribly agitated. He had = had a vision of an accident, in which his youngest brother was horribly man= gled; he tried to dispel the fear, but it was useless; he got up and dresse= d, looked at his watch and saw it was 12:30, too near his; call to go back to bed, and started for his= train; reaching the depot, he told his strange dream, or vision, and said= "If it was not endangering another life, I would not go out on my run." The train from Chicago was pulling into the station and there was the usual= turmoil and confusion in changing cars; the train on the Northern Cross wa= s standing on the main track ready to pull out on schedule time. Van Netta= was just coming from the opposite side of his engine, oiler in hand, when = Conductor Goodrich called "All aboard" and gave the signal with his lantern= to leave. As Joe stepped into the cab, someone touched him on the shoulder= and greeted him with a familiar voice. He turned around and' confronted hi= s youngest, brother, who had just arrived from the east. He was speechless = and it was a minute before he was convinced it was not an apparition. Hard= ly knowing what he was doing he pulled the throttle and the train was in mo= tion; it was ten miles to Abingdon, the first stop, and quietly turning to = his brother he said, "When we get to Abingdon, you get off and take a seat = in the rear coach. The young man pleaded and begged the privilege of ridin= g to Quincy with his brother on the engine, but Joe would listen to no arbi= tration; his will was absolute, and when the stop was made at Abingdon Henr= y was sent to the rear coach. "All aboard" was again rung out in the darkness, and again the dim light fr= om the lantern was signaled to go ahead; an easier feeling took possession = of Joe after his brother left the engine, still the rain was pouring down a= s if the floodgates of heaven had been opened; St. Augustine was passed and= the whistle was sounding for Avon; both engineer and fireman were straining every optical nerve pene= trating the driving rain and the oppressive darkness; Prairie City was left= in the dark, and only four miles to Bushnell; the "Macomb" was being teste= d as to her merits of speed, and was acting like a restless spirited race h= orse, fairly quivering under the tender urging of her driver. Joe was comp= lete master of her erratic ways holding her in perfect control with his han= d ever upon, the lever and throttle. Three miles from Bushnell is Kepple creek; again was he peering into the bl= ackness of the night made angry from the unceasing rain; only a few yards f= rom the engine did the headlight penetrate, and as the light flashed upon t= he bridge a whistle for brakes was sounded; it was too late; in another ins= tant the treacherous bridge was reached, and the engine went plunging, into the chasm 20 feet be= low. Van Netta's body was found in the wreck completely cut in two, his left han= d still hold of the throttle. Conductor Goodrich was badly but not fatally= injured, the fireman was instantly killed and the brakeman crippled for li= fe; strange to say, not a passenger was injured. The "vision" was fulfilled, except the fate of the brother. -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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Chuck

According to Baldwin’s Corporate History, the Northern Cross was rena= med “The Quincy & Chicago Railroad” in February 1857 and th= is company went into receivership in May 1857. In April 1864, the company w= as sold to the CB&Q. The clipping refers to “the Quincy branch of the Burlington system” so the clipping may be post-1864. <= br>
The original trust deed for the Northern Cross, on which there was default = of interest payments resulting in receivership, was executed to J M Forbes = (CB&Q director), John Eliot Thayer (possibly related to Nathaniel Thaye= r, another director) and F Von Hoffman (a land owner in Quincy). In April 1857, just before the receivership, the= CB&Q and the Quincy & Chicago entered an agreement “whereby = the two companies were united in a common operative management, in order to= form a line from Quincy to Chicago.” This agreement remained in force until the CB&Q “bought” the Q&C in A= pril 1864.  As the Burlington owned the Q&C in all but name from 1= 857, the clipping could be any time thereafter but I think it unlikely that= the Quincy section of the line would have been referred to as a branch of the Burlington before it lost its identity. Also, “way b= ack in the 50’s” suggests that the clipping (which specifically= refers to the event as occurring in 1858) was published well after 1860.
It would appear to be another example of where the Burlington financed anot= her railroad company and waited until it went into receivership before taki= ng it over completely. It also meant that the towns and individuals which h= ad sponsored the new company lost their money.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ


 

From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> On Behalf Of chuck hatler
Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2021 2:30 pm
To: CBQ <CBQ@groups.io>
Subject: [CBQ] looking for some info

 

i have = a newspaper clip that i think it was in 1850, but i don't 1850.  =

can any= body have any idea better?

&n= bsp;

chuck h= atler

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

0001 HIS VI= SION FULFILLED NEED DATE SOURCE 

[we are talking the 1850s, not the 1950s!] 

It was= way back in the '50s, when railroading was much more primitive than it is = to-day, that a prescient event happened to Engineer Joe Van Netta, of the Northern Cross, now the Quincy branch of the Burling= ton system. Trains in those days were not designated by numbers, neither we= re the engines; conductors, engineers 

and br= akemen were furnished time cards showing where "passenger train south&= quot; would meet "passenger train north," which had the right of way and which would take the "switch." Engines were named aft= er animals, counties and towns. Who that lived on the line of the "Q&q= uot; in the '50s and is alive to-day is not familiar with the "Black B= ear" and the "Polar Bear?" and on the Northern Cross with the "Fulton," the "Knox," the "McDonough," t= he "Quincy," the "Plymouth," "Augusta" and *'= Macomb?" Who has forgotten the phlegmatic Cady that pulled the throttl= e 

of the= "Plymouth" and when the bridge over Crooked creek was washed awa= y by the heavy spring rains of ‘58 offered to jump the "d—= d breach" if they would give him Colmar for a starting point.  

 =

It was= in the spring of '58 that a new train was scheduled to leave Galesburg at = 2:30 a. m. and. Arrived in Quincy at 5:50 a.m., stopping only  at Abingdon, Macomb and Augusta. It was a run of 100 m= iles, and 30 miles an hour then seemed faster than 70 does to-day. 

 =

The ni= ght in question was portentous of evil; the rain was pouring in torrents, a= nd the inky blackness of the night only made the headlight shine with greater brilliancy, the thunder was muffled at times,= like the roar of an angry animal, the lightning flashed at frequent interv= als and were blinding in effect. 

 =

It was= Van Netta's "run," and he left a call for. 1:45 and went to his = room about nine o'clock, thinking to get as much sleep as the few hours .would allow. After tossing restless for some time he fell i= nto a disturbed slumber; how long he slept 

was un= certain; he woke with a start and feelings terribly agitated. He had had a = vision of an accident, in which his youngest brother was horribly mangled; he tried to dispel the fear, but it was useless; he = got up and dressed, looked at his watch and 

saw it= was 12:30, too near his; call to go back to bed, and started for his train= ;  reaching the depot, he told his strange dream, or vision, and said “If it was not endangering another life, I would= not go out on my run.” =

 =

The tr= ain from Chicago was pulling into the station and there was the usual turmo= il and confusion in changing cars; the train on the Northern Cross was standing on the main track ready to pull out on sch= edule time.  Van Netta was just coming from the opposite side of his e= ngine, oiler in hand, when Conductor Goodrich called "All aboard"= and gave the signal with his lantern to leave. As Joe stepped into the cab, someone touched him on the shoulder and greet= ed him with a familiar voice. He turned around and' confronted his youngest= , brother, who had just arrived from the east. He was speechless and it was= a minute before he was convinced it was not an apparition.  Hardly knowing what he was doing he pulled= the throttle and the train was in motion; it was ten miles to Abingdon, th= e first stop, and quietly turning to his brother he said, "When we get= to Abingdon, you get off and take a seat in the rear coach.  The young man pleaded and begged the privilege of= riding to Quincy with his brother on the engine, but Joe would listen to n= o arbitration; his will was absolute, and when the stop was made at Abingdo= n Henry was sent to the rear coach. 

 =

"= All aboard" was again rung out in the darkness, and again the dim ligh= t from the lantern was signaled to go ahead; an easier feeling took possession of Joe after his brother left the engine, still the rain w= as pouring down as if the floodgates of heaven had been opened; St. Augusti= ne was passed and the whistle was sounding 

for Av= on; both engineer and fireman were straining every optical nerve penetratin= g the driving rain and the oppressive darkness; Prairie City was left in the dark, and only four miles to Bushnell; the &q= uot;Macomb" was being tested as to her merits of speed, and was acting= like a restless spirited race horse, fairly quivering under the tender urg= ing of her driver.  Joe was complete master of her erratic ways holding her in perfect control with his hand ever upon= , the lever and throttle.  

 =

Three = miles from Bushnell is Kepple creek; again was he peering into the blacknes= s of the night made angry from the unceasing rain; only a few yards from the engine did the headlight penetrate, and as the l= ight flashed upon the bridge a whistle for brakes was sounded; it was too l= ate; in another instant the treacherous 

bridge= was reached, and the engine went plunging, into the chasm 20 feet below.

 

Van Ne= tta’s body was found in the wreck completely cut in two, his left han= d still hold of the throttle.  Conductor Goodrich was badly but not fatally injured, the fireman was instantly killed and the br= akeman crippled for life; strange to say, not a passenger was injured.  <= o:p>

 =

The “vision” was fulfilled, = except the fate of the brother.

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