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Tue, 16 Nov 2021 14:43:41 +0000 From: "Rick Keil" To: "CBQ@groups.io" Subject: Re: [CBQ] GP30 fans Thread-Topic: [CBQ] GP30 fans Thread-Index: AQHX2o4y0a4xr7d7B0CYSj9+HDbtIqwFcveAgADIL7Q= Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 14:43:41 +0000 Message-ID: References: <592566110.57913.1637028222990@sbcglobal.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: suggested_attachment_session_id: 60d5faf4-d49f-8fa7-501c-3c17557ebb26 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [EsSF7JPV2d11fazqpIRFQmFhgKfqsdIK] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 44ccbe40-c7b1-491e-27fc-08d9a90f7bc9 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: CH0PR20MB4236: x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 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 x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-chunkcount: 1 x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-0: 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 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sct-15-20-3174-20-msonline-outlook-25284.templateTenant X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: CH2PR20MB3143.namprd20.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 44ccbe40-c7b1-491e-27fc-08d9a90f7bc9 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 16 Nov 2021 14:43:41.5500 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-rms-persistedconsumerorg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CH0PR20MB4236 Precedence: Bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Help: Sender: CBQ@groups.io List-Id: Mailing-List: list CBQ@groups.io; contact CBQ+owner@groups.io Delivered-To: mailing list CBQ@groups.io Reply-To: CBQ@groups.io X-Gm-Message-State: pisRnon7NbJvKoVfV1e9op3sx703214AA= Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CH2PR20MB31432571067AD1AE592EC2C8B4999CH2PR20MB3143namp_" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=groups.io; q=dns/txt; s=20140610; t=1637073824; bh=OwkjEvC2dajv8kRdIq9IkHz62r+wMsnbrHDJqZ+gL8I=; h=Content-Type:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To; b=Ux3PqDZT8TGhhJGftCPl6QTGQf2K/rhBVcbu/2NVZ5HeS/TPDViDWuFUZdsOXGFf4GE BMy0gvDpSPRSXo+wGZL29LV0FDv/RQysGDtwDhIHIld63MgUouJ2klscR3Ee1UbEkzXsS +JhNb5/+q+uY6PJOXn1f5e5KdEg8rwsf/3Y= --_000_CH2PR20MB31432571067AD1AE592EC2C8B4999CH2PR20MB3143namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James, I want to thank you as well, I have a few of the P2K GP30s as well. I really hope a manufacturer steps up to do an updated GP30, all phases. R= umors abound but still nothing as of now. Ricky Keil, St Louis, MO ________________________________ From: CBQ@groups.io on behalf of James Sandrin Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 8:45 PM To: CBQ@groups.io Subject: Re: [CBQ] GP30 fans Hello Chris: Here are some observations concerning GP30s as Q motors. The c= enter fan over the radiators is about 4 inches taller than the 36 inch fans= on earlier Geeps or F-units. It is also identical to the middle radiator = fan on the early GP35s. As for replacement fans, Cannon made replacements = but these have not been available for a while. Plano makes etched grills a= nd fan blades that can enhance the original housings. I personally think t= hat plastic handrails are the worst and almost any replacement stanchion wi= th wire railings would be better. Also, Athearn makes a good Leslie S-2 ho= rn in brass and a vastly improved replacement Blomberg truck side frame I assume you are aware of BRHS bulletin #52 focussing on the Q GP30s. One = error from said Bulletin, the second order of units, 970-977, had the rear = sandfiller on the prow of the high hood, not below the right number board a= s on the P2K version. See enclosed photo for that detail. That should cover= most mysteries the project could present up front! Jim Sandrin [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png]= Virus-free. www.avg.com On Mon, 15 Nov 2021 at 19:03, popbumper1 > wrote: Hello modelers! I have an original undec P2K GP30 which I plan on modeling/= painting in CB&Q colors. Looking over the model last night, and comparing i= t to prototype units, I see a few changes needed to make it more accurate. However, the P2K fans are, in a word, "awful". So, a few questions if I m= ay: 1) is the 36" center fan the same as would be used on, say, any other early= Geep? 2) the 48" fans - is there a parts manufacturer who makes a fan that would = be both a suitable and superior replacement? Thanks for any guidance that can be offered. Not willing to accept the st= ock factory units as adequate. Chris Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#62773): https://groups.io/g/CBQ/message/62773 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/87085990/703214 Group Owner: CBQ+owner@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/CBQ/leave/1544929/703214/691670059/xyzzy [= archives@nauer.org] -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- --_000_CH2PR20MB31432571067AD1AE592EC2C8B4999CH2PR20MB3143namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
James,

I want to thank you as well, I have a few of the P2K GP30s as well. &n= bsp;

I really hope a manufacturer steps up to do an updated GP30, all phases.&nb= sp; Rumors abound but still nothing as of now.

Ricky Keil,
St Louis, MO

From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ= @groups.io> on behalf of James Sandrin <sandmantrains@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 8:45 PM
To: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CBQ] GP30 fans
 
Hello Chris: Here are some observations concerning GP30s a= s Q motors. The center fan over the radiators is about 4 inches taller than= the 36 inch fans on  earlier Geeps or F-units. It is also identical t= o the middle radiator fan on the early GP35s.  As for replacement fans, Cannon made replacements but these h= ave not been available for a while.  Plano makes etched grills and fan= blades that can enhance the original housings.  I personally think th= at plastic handrails are the worst and almost any replacement stanchion with wire railings would be better.  Also, Athe= arn makes a good Leslie S-2 horn in brass and a vastly improved replacement= Blomberg truck side frame

I assume you are aware of BRHS bulletin #52 focussing on the Q GP= 30s.  One error from said Bulletin, the second order of units, 97= 0-977, had the rear sandfiller on the prow of the high hood, not below= the right number board as on the P2K version. See enclosed photo for that detail. That should cover most mysteries the project could = present up front!  Jim Sandrin

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On Mon, 15 Nov 2021 at 19:03, popbu= mper1 <popbumper1@sbcglobal.= net> wrote:
Hello modelers! I have an original undec P2K= GP30 which I plan on modeling/painting in CB&Q colors. Looking over th= e model last night, and comparing it to prototype units, I see a few change= s needed to make it more accurate.
  However, the P2K fans are, in a word,= "awful". So, a few questions if I may:

1) is the 36" center fan the same as wo= uld be used on, say, any other early Geep?

2) the 48" fans - is there a parts manu= facturer who makes a fan that would be both a suitable and superior replace= ment? 

  Thanks for any guidance that can be o= ffered. Not willing to accept the stock factory units as adequate. 

Chris 



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