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For the LOF plant in Ottawa IL the sand just went across the street through=
 the village of Naplate (National Plate Glass Co.) and directly to a long b=
ay with a car pull that took the uncovered and covered hoopers into the pla=
nt. Limestone came to LOF from plants near Oglesby IL which also had one ce=
ment plant on the C&Q and one served by the Illinois Central. The soda ash =
arrived by rail transferred from the Rock Island. I don't know where it ori=
ginated since I didn't work at LOF.

Owens Illinois (the source of lots of Libby-Owens glassware and millions o=
f glass bottles a year) in Streator IL got its sand via the Q and its soda =
ash and limestone from the Santa Fe.

There were some Santa Fe cars that would come through Ottawa Silica. Into =
the 1970s there would be boxcars of sand loaded at Ottawa Silica and at Wed=
ron to be shipped on the Q to places in Wisconsin and Michigan. There were =
also a few companies that ordered open gondolas of sand during the summer. =
One of the operators filling a gondola said that he knew where that one was=
 going and that it would have two young guys who would spend two days shove=
ling it out by hand because the old man at that business was an SOB who lik=
ed to see these guys sweat it out in the sun shoveling out a car every othe=
r week.

That is my two-cents on the area around LaSalle County.

Edward V. Carroll
Distinguished Professor of History - Emeritus
Heartland Community College
1500 West Raab Road
Normal IL 61761


ed.carroll@heartland.edu
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.
Paul Fussell
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Subject: [External] [CBQ] How was Soda Ash and Silica Sand transported?

I'm planning my 1950s switching layout and one of my industries could be a=
 glass manufacturer...  the primary ingredients for glass are silica sand, =
soda ash and limestone....  assuming the limestone was found locally were t=
he sand and soda ash delivered by tank car?  Maybe the sand was in a covere=
d hopper car?  I can't seem to find any historical information about shippi=
ng these items... any help you can provide is appreciated, thanks!  Hauling=
 away the finished product via boxcar is covered!

Carl


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For the LOF plant in Ottawa IL the sand just went across the street throug=
h the village of Naplate (National Plate Glass Co.) and directly to a long =
bay with a car pull that took the uncovered and covered hoopers into the pl=
ant. Limestone came to LOF from plants
 near Oglesby IL which also had one cement plant on the C&amp;Q and one se=
rved by the Illinois Central. The soda ash arrived by rail transferred from=
 the Rock Island. I don't know where it originated since I didn't work at L=
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Owens Illinois (the source of lots of Libby-Owens glassware and millions o=
f glass bottles a year) in Streator IL got its sand via the Q and its soda =
ash and limestone from the Santa Fe.</div>
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There were some Santa Fe cars that would come through Ottawa Silica. Into =
the 1970s there would be boxcars of sand loaded at Ottawa Silica and at Wed=
ron to be shipped on the Q to places in Wisconsin and Michigan. There were =
also a few companies that ordered
 open gondolas of sand during the summer. One of the operators filling a g=
ondola said that he knew where that one was going and that it would have tw=
o young guys who would spend two days shoveling it out by hand because the =
old man at that business was an SOB
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That is my two-cents on the area around LaSalle County.</div>
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1500 West Raab Road<br>
Normal IL 61761<br>
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<div>I'm planning my 1950s switching layout and one of my industries could=
 be a glass manufacturer... &nbsp;the primary ingredients for glass are sil=
ica sand, soda ash and limestone.... &nbsp;assuming the limestone was found=
 locally were the sand and soda ash delivered
 by tank car? &nbsp;Maybe the sand was in a covered hopper car? &nbsp;I ca=
n't seem to find any historical information about shipping these items... a=
ny help you can provide is appreciated, thanks! &nbsp;Hauling away the fini=
shed product via boxcar is covered! &nbsp;<br>
<br>
Carl

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