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To: CBQ@groups.io Precedence: Bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Help: Sender: CBQ@groups.io List-Id: Mailing-List: list CBQ@groups.io; contact CBQ+owner@groups.io Delivered-To: mailing list CBQ@groups.io Reply-To: CBQ@groups.io Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000092221c05c68fe7a7" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=groups.io; q=dns/txt; s=20140610; t=1625696253; bh=KYne+g2ruHKN0iAfOy6z+MracMj23ecbtW10UgurdHM=; h=Content-Type:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To; b=aAYrhWco1CBacWfgChTkhX6rcEv4zkJMgvW+1PlsuNM0qYoBUVNkeYGnYd53FPmIJhv 0WzthtDWhlhVb/LOLHqSEoZrKnJka6QtiFZjXBYJfkKf61yOSMbeP6B696d/d/OcTe8Xn W24rvTkByB7kx7IezBFnhUKqqraLVYh9zLA= --00000000000092221c05c68fe7a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The soda ash supply line leads back to the Union Pacific operation out of Green River, Wyoming. The development of that industry and UP operations were covered in "The Streamliner" Volume 31, issues 3 and 4. That might be overkill as to your question, but is a great source of information. Jim Sandrin Virus-free. www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 at 09:36, Eric Mumper wrote: > Group, > > There is some really good information here and I certainly appreciate Ed's > comments on Ottawa and Streator as I model the area and have done some > research on the industries. I would like to quibble a bit with the comment > of covered hoppers coming into use in the late 50s - my research shows late > 40s to early 50s for bulk commodities like cement, sand, soda ash, > limestone, phosphate rock and others. This is backed up by the massive > orders of ACF style 1958 cuft covered hoppers during this time for many > railroads and is covered quite well by the Railway Prototype Cyclopedia > series in 3 issues. > > Another note to add to this conversation is about soda ash. The mid-50s > is where soda ash shifted from manufactured to mined. The UP Green River > area now provides almost all soda ash. I have records of soda ash coming > into Owens-Illinois in Streator off the Wabash in 1954. The best guess is > this originated in Detroit and would be manufactured soda ash. This came > in the GACX Owens-Illinois Duraglas covered hoppers. Information here: > http://foxriverbranch.com/node/43 > > A lot of the limestone was handled by the Missouri Pacific and more > specifically the Missouri Illinois in both conventional covered hoppers and > in 3 bay offset side hoppers with roof additions. > > Eric Mumper > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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The soda ash supply line leads back to the Union = Pacific operation out of Green River, Wyoming.=C2=A0 The development=C2=A0o= f that industry and UP operations were covered in "The Streamliner&quo= t; Volume 31,=C2=A0 issues 3=C2=A0and 4.=C2=A0 That might be overkill as to= your question, but is a great source of information.=C2=A0 Jim Sandrin=C2= =A0

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On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 at 09:36, Eric Mumper <eric.mumper@gmail.com> wrote:
Group,

There is some re= ally good information here and I certainly appreciate Ed's comments on = Ottawa and Streator as I model the area and have done some research on the = industries.=C2=A0 I would like to quibble a bit with the comment of covered= hoppers coming into use in the late 50s - my research shows late 40s to ea= rly 50s for bulk commodities like cement, sand, soda ash, limestone, phosph= ate rock and others.=C2=A0 This is backed up by the massive orders of ACF s= tyle 1958 cuft covered hoppers during this time for many railroads and is c= overed quite well by the Railway Prototype Cyclopedia series in 3 issues.
Another note to add to this conversation is about soda ash.=C2=A0 The= mid-50s is where soda ash shifted from manufactured to mined.=C2=A0 The UP= Green River area now provides almost all soda ash.=C2=A0 I have records of= soda ash coming into Owens-Illinois in Streator off the Wabash in 1954.=C2= = =A0 The best guess is this originated in Detroit and would be manufactured= soda ash.=C2=A0 This came in the GACX Owens-Illinois Duraglas covered hopp= ers.=C2=A0 Information here:=C2=A0=C2=A0http://foxriverbranch.com/nod= e/43=C2=A0

A lot of the limestone was handled by the Missouri Pa= cific and more specifically the Missouri Illinois in both conventional cove= red hoppers and in 3 bay offset side hoppers with roof additions.

Er= ic Mumper

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