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MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: Bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Help: Sender: CBQ@groups.io List-Id: Mailing-List: list CBQ@groups.io; contact CBQ+owner@groups.io Delivered-To: mailing list CBQ@groups.io X-Gm-Message-State: 0idmTcOGOBhIIXz2iSL00dlMx703214AA= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1554484_1055611682.1625666788728" Content-Length: 12746 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=groups.io; q=dns/txt; s=20140610; t=1625666794; bh=Yr5Z4n6KoXIvIDlocago7OMzJJaxMDIUxxysG54rA14=; h=Content-Type:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To; b=FoEAwGtjsgMO3TUD3c6GpnjxOmi0DpGZ6VhTdo68kicAOPn0eol3WAJG/15bhtfD5Yo BNX4hBhcWEijk7xp9/+eQKPUP4zzOQpGOGFlIBTxMoZrEMR5D+WMUpMFYuBHxfW9u62jd Ewl7q2aRXGJ23CD+wlXwe+/p8RcnbGuhVQo= ------=_Part_1554484_1055611682.1625666788728 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The sand shipper at Utica was=C2=A0 Bellrose Silica=C2=A0 =C2=A0"Owned by "= Old Man Bellrose"...it was managed by a guy who, I think was OMB's son in l= aw.=C2=A0 His name is Dick Scheffel.=C2=A0 =C2=A0They are probably both gon= e now and the operation as, no doubt been modernized since my Rock Island D= ays. Pete=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -----Original Message----- From: Jeff via groups.io To: CBQ@groups.io Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2021 10:55 pm Subject: Re: [External] [CBQ] How was Soda Ash and Silica Sand transported= ? Utica IL was and still is a big sand shipper. For the Rock Island then and= now CSX. I believe the former Q in the area is now the Illinois Northern. = Shipped in two bay ACF/PS cars. Thanks!Jeff On Jul 6, 2021, at 7:59 PM, Carroll, Ed wrote: =EF=BB=BF For the LOF plant in Ottawa IL the sand just went across the street throug= h the village of Naplate (National Plate Glass Co.) and directly to a long = bay with a car pull that took the uncovered and covered hoopers into the pl= ant. Limestone came to LOF from plants near Oglesby IL which also had one c= ement plant on the C&Q and one served by the Illinois Central. The soda ash= arrived by rail transferred from the Rock Island. I don't know where it or= iginated since I didn't work at LOF. Owens Illinois (the source of lots of Libby-Owens glassware and millions o= f glass bottles a year) in Streator IL got its sand via the Q and its soda = ash and limestone from the Santa Fe. There were some Santa Fe cars that would come through Ottawa Silica. Into = the 1970s there would be boxcars of sand loaded at Ottawa Silica and at Wed= ron to be shipped on the Q to places in Wisconsin and Michigan. There were = also a few companies that ordered open gondolas of sand during the summer. = One of the operators filling a gondola said that he knew where that one was= going and that it would have two young guys who would spend two days shove= ling it out by hand because the old man at that business was an SOB who lik= ed to see these guys sweat it out in the sun shoveling out a car every othe= r week. That is my two-cents on the area around LaSalle County. Edward V. Carroll Distinguished Professor of History - Emeritus Heartland Community College 1500 West Raab Road Normal IL 61761 ed.carroll@heartland.edu =C2=A0=20 _____________________ Understanding the past requires pretending that you don't know the present= . Paul Fussell From: CBQ@groups.io on behalf of carl via groups.io Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 4:19 PM To: CBQ@groups.io Subject: [External] [CBQ] How was Soda Ash and Silica Sand transported?=C2= = =A0I'm planning my 1950s switching layout and one of my industries could b= e a glass manufacturer... =C2=A0the primary ingredients for glass are silic= a sand, soda ash and limestone.... =C2=A0assuming the limestone was found l= ocally were the sand and soda ash delivered by tank car? =C2=A0Maybe the sa= nd was in a covered hopper car? =C2=A0I can't seem to find any historical i= nformation about shipping these items... any help you can provide is apprec= iated, thanks! =C2=A0Hauling away the finished product via boxcar is covere= d! =C2=A0 Carl Note: The contents of this email and any attachments is property of Heartl= and Community College which may contain confidential and/or privileged info= rmation intended solely for the recipient. 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The sand shipper at Utica was=   Bellrose Silica   "Owned by "Old Man Bellrose"...it was ma= naged by a guy who, I think was OMB's son in law.  His name is Dick Sc= heffel.   They are probably both gone now and the operation as, n= o doubt been modernized since my Rock Island Days.

Pete   


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff via groups.io <jworones=3Dyahoo.com@groups.io>
To: CBQ@groups.io
Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2021 10:55 pm
Subject: Re: [External] [CBQ] How was Soda Ash and Silica Sand transported= ?

Utica IL was and still is a big sand shipper. For the Rock Island the= n and now CSX. I believe the former Q in the area is now the Illinois North= ern. Shipped in two bay ACF/PS cars.

Thanks!
Jeff

On Jul 6, 20= 21, at 7:59 PM, Carroll, Ed <ed.carroll@heartland.edu> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
For the LOF plant in Ottawa IL the sand just went across the street throug= h the village of Naplate (National Plate Glass Co.) and directly to a long = bay with a car pull that took the uncovered and covered hoopers into the pl= ant. Limestone came to LOF from plants near Oglesby IL which also had one cement plant on the C&Q and one se= rved by the Illinois Central. The soda ash arrived by rail transferred from= the Rock Island. I don't know where it originated since I didn't work at L= OF.

Owens Illinois (the source of lots of Libby-Owens glassware and millions o= f glass bottles a year) in Streator IL got its sand via the Q and its soda = ash and limestone from the Santa Fe.

There were some Santa Fe cars that would come through Ottawa Silica. Into = the 1970s there would be boxcars of sand loaded at Ottawa Silica and at Wed= ron to be shipped on the Q to places in Wisconsin and Michigan. There were = also a few companies that ordered open gondolas of sand during the summer. One of the operators filling a g= ondola said that he knew where that one was going and that it would have tw= o young guys who would spend two days shoveling it out by hand because the = old man at that business was an SOB who liked to see these guys sweat it out in the sun shoveling out a car e= very other week.

That is my two-cents on the area around LaSalle County.

Edward V. Carroll
Distinguished Professor of History - Emeritus
Heartland Community College
1500 West Raab Road
Normal IL 61761


ed.carroll@heartland.edu  
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Subject: [External] [CBQ] How was Soda Ash and Silica Sand transpor= ted?
 
I'm planning my 1950s switching layout and one of my industries could= be a glass manufacturer...  the primary ingredients for glass are sil= ica sand, soda ash and limestone....  assuming the limestone was found= locally were the sand and soda ash delivered by tank car?  Maybe the sand was in a covered hopper car?  I ca= n't seem to find any historical information about shipping these items... a= ny help you can provide is appreciated, thanks!  Hauling away the fini= shed product via boxcar is covered!  

Carl

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